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      CommentAuthorGeoff
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    I've considered making little leaflets of this picture, and placing it on windshields or antennae of cars who honk at me. Because, you know, I almost always catch them at the next intersection.

    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    I usually yell out "Watch your door" or "Close your door"... sometimes they get it. A good loud "YO!" helps too. Just something to signal my presence when need be.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    billd:Video no longer there Serge.

    That's really strange. It was there yesterday, and had been posted since I think 2009. I wonder what prompted Preston to remove it.

    Here's another one (bonus: sound track is Rolling Stone's Paint it black!). If this one disappears I call conspiracy!

    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    Serge2:
    billd:Video no longer there Serge.

    That's really strange. It was there yesterday, and had been posted since I think 2009. I wonder what prompted Preston to remove it.

    Got the scoop from Richard Wharton on Facebook:


    Serge - I spoke with Preston, and he inadvertently deleted the wrong account. Contact him directly and he'll give you the new link.

    Doh! Countless links all over the internet to that video are now broken! I'll get another link from Preston.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    Beat an hour on the way home today for the first time this year: 59 minutes on the Mapei Colnago.

    Riding past the on ramp to Kearny Villa Rd. from Miramar Way I see a car way back up the ramp. I cross over to the other side and suddenly brakes are locked up right behind me and the car slides past me on the right with inches to spare and lurches to a sudden stop in the bike lane in a cloud of tire smoke. It took a long time for it to get started again and the driver had trouble merging back into traffic. She flipped me off as she passed. That was too close!
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    wpstoll:Beat an hour on the way home today for the first time this year: 59 minutes on the Mapei Colnago.

    Riding past the on ramp to Kearny Villa Rd. from Miramar Way I see a car way back up the ramp. I cross over to the other side and suddenly brakes are locked up right behind me and the car slides past me on the right with inches to spare and lurches to a sudden stop in the bike lane in a cloud of tire smoke. It took a long time for it to get started again and the driver had trouble merging back into traffic. She flipped me off as she passed. That was too close!

    Congratulations on the great time, but I'm confused about the incident. Are you talking about riding here? (what's particularly cool about this street view is there a cyclist in it! Is that you by any chance? lol!).

    Are you saying the car was going much faster than you realized?

    Per that google street view, the bike lane is broken at the ramp. When she stopped in the bike lane, do you mean the bl segment after the ramp merges in?

    Glad you didn't get hit!
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    Got assaulted by a psycho on Morena today. I didn't get the plate. He brake checked me and I couldn't stop. I've got a bruise on my shoulder and scrape on my leg. He got out and came at me but I got my pepper spray out and sprayed it in his direction when he was still about 10 feet away and he didn't come any closer. He threatened to get a gun out of his truck and shoot me but by that time there were about 10 cars backed up with all of the drivers staring at us. What is so hard about changing lanes?

    As usual it was a red neck white guy, maybe 30 or so, in a pickup truck....screaming like I had just kicked his child.
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    I'm really sorry to hear that, Bill. Sending good vibes your way... but if there's anything else I can do for you, let me know. I've had nightmares about it getting that bad (probably stemming from encounters that were almost that bad).

    I hope you heal up quick and I hope that guy's gun goes off in his pants taking away his nuts.
    • CommentAuthorJayKay
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    Thats terrible billd.

    Very glad to hear injuries were minor.
    • CommentAuthorJSnook
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    "Got assaulted by a psycho on Morena today."

    When and where on Morena did this happen? Sorry to hear about it - any more detail you can provide? I ride Morena all the time and would like to know what to look out for.
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    It was on north bound Morena.

    According to my GPS data (it shows me stopped for a while mid block), it happened between Napier and Milton at about 6:50pm. He started honking. I started wobbling. He passed close anyway, pulled in front of me and hit the brakes. Light brown pickup. Didn't catch the make. I was freaking out and yelling that I had a right to use the road under California state law.

    I almost stopped in time. I think I scraped my leg on the handle bars. The scrape is very superficial and just got the upper layer of skin. No blood ran but it's red. The shoulder bruise is not showing (at least not yet) but I can feel it pretty strong. I hit the shoulder on his tail gate. Very minor as injuries go but also completely unnecessary.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012
     
    Jeesus.

    One word, but I won't say it.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2012 edited
     
    Disney captured the essence of the psychology of the crazed driver in this classic animated short over 60 years ago.



    I think keeping this in mind can help explain much of the otherwise inexplicable behavior we encounter on the roads.

    The problem of the unreasonable angry driver has not been solved in the last 60 years, and I have no reason to believe it will be solved in the next 60. The only way I know to deal with it is early identification of a potential flare up and taking appropriate measures to nip the rage in the bud. If I'm habitually controlling lanes, I don't know how to establish and maintain the rearward situational awareness necessary to make this early identification without a... mirror.

    There. I said it.
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    This guy did not seem like the Jekyll and Hyde type. He seemed more like the type of guy who's all Hyde. I'd bet money that he has a criminal record.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012 edited
     
    billd:This guy did not seem like the Jekyll and Hyde type. He seemed more like the type of guy who's all Hyde. I'd bet money that he has a criminal record.

    My perception of human nature is that the Jekyll/Hyde model applies to everyone to some extent. Even the gentlest and most compassionate among us can be pushed into engaging in some pretty ugly behavior (that always seems justifiable to us at the time, but usually not to others), and the most heinous criminals have some capacity for generosity and caring. If the first time we encounter someone is when they're way past the line, it might be hard to imagine, but I bet his or her mom and friends would insist they're not really that kind of person.

    True or not, my philosophy in life is based on that premise, and I find it to be effective in allowing me to anticipate and accept all kinds of human behavior in just about any situation. It's especially useful in traffic. And business. And marriage.

    Anyway, my point is that with a mirror you would have seen the scenario unfold behind you... what lead up to him honking? I can't tell you how many times I've observed someone approach from behind, and, while most people would change lanes at a certain point, such a person does not and continues not slowing as much as I'd like, if at all. So, before they get too close (including the point at which a honker would honk), I turn around and look at them (in a friendly way), and/or issue a slow/stop left-arm signal, and, like clockwork, they change lanes, practically without exception. I wave thank you as they pass and 90% of the time they nod or wave thank you back. How many of those times did I nip a honk-to-all-out-road-rage situation in the bud? No way to tell. But I can tell you I stopped experiencing undesirable situations like that once I learned to use my mirror effectively like this, 7 years ago or so.
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    billd:Got assaulted by a psycho on Morena today. I didn't get the plate. He brake checked me and I couldn't stop. I've got bruise on my shoulder and scrape on my leg. He got out and came at me but I got my pepper spray out and sprayed it in his direction when he was still about 10 feet away and he didn't come any closer. He threatened to get a gun out of his truck and shoot me but by that time there were about 10 cars backed up with all of the drivers staring at us. What is so hard about changing lanes?

    As usual it was a red neck white guy, maybe 30 or so, in a pickup truck....screaming like I had just kicked his child.


    Wow! Sorry to hear about the incident, Bill --glad it wasn't worse!!
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    W O W ... speechless. glad you are ok though! hope your shoulder feels better soon
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    54 minutes to Scripps Ranch this morning and an even better return time of 58 minutes, best time so far this year. Always helps when one has a rabbit to chase. In the morning I caught two riders at Miramar Rd. I'd had in my sights for miles. On the way home I tried and failed to catch a rider going up Fairmount to Aldine and Adams Avenue.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    Serge2:
    wpstoll:Beat an hour on the way home today for the first time this year: 59 minutes on the Mapei Colnago.

    Riding past the on ramp to Kearny Villa Rd. from Miramar Way I see a car way back up the ramp. I cross over to the other side and suddenly brakes are locked up right behind me and the car slides past me on the right with inches to spare and lurches to a sudden stop in the bike lane in a cloud of tire smoke. It took a long time for it to get started again and the driver had trouble merging back into traffic. She flipped me off as she passed. That was too close!

    Congratulations on the great time, but I'm confused about the incident. Are you talking about riding here? (what's particularly cool about this street view is there a cyclist in it! Is that you by any chance? lol!).

    Are you saying the car was going much faster than you realized?

    Per that google street view, the bike lane is broken at the ramp. When she stopped in the bike lane, do you mean the bl segment after the ramp merges in?

    Glad you didn't get hit!


    That rider is not I. He is where I turned to look back and saw the car way back up the ramp. I had the right of way
    since the car was merging onto the road from another and I assumed, apparently wrongly, that I was seen in my brightly colored Mapei kit. I ride through here practically every day and have never had anything like this happen in that spot. Her car slid to a stop just to the right of the bike lane on the other side, in front of the white road sign at the other end of the smooth new asphalt. Evidently she wanted to pass me at speed on the right. When I continued to move across the ramp to the other side of the bike path, she apparently lost control of the car.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012
     
    Ah, that makes sense.

    That situation is reminiscent of s/b 101 heading into Del Mar, where the ramp from Jimmy Durante merges in, where they have the obnoxious BICYCLES YIELD TO CROSS TRAFFIC warning sign, completely reversing standard ROW rules.

    You're right. Since you're ahead, you have the right of way. But motorists are often confused by bicyclists who are anywhere but at the edge of the road, are often not sure what to do, and I'm more interested in techniques to avoid conflict than sorting out fault and blame.

    So, here again, a mirror would almost certainly have helped. Much of what happens to us at a given moment, since we're going so slow, can often be accurately predicted from the situation unfolding behind us 10 seconds earlier.

    Also, since it's possible and reasonable to continue along for a ways without crossing the ramp, a clear straight arm right turn signal to indicate you are moving laterally across the mouth of that lane can also help them realize what you're doing, that they need to pass you on your left, and possibly slow down until there is room to safely do so.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2012 edited
     
    I use a mirror and feel uncomfortable without it on the road. This happened as I was scanning in my mirror speeding overtaking traffic on my left and preparing to make the transition across the high speed on ramp (another example of how dangerous these devices are for both cyclists and pedestrians) as well as acknowledging the presence of the merging car by looking back over my right shoulder. The entire transit of the on ramp took place in a very short period of time and for the amount of time I spent looking ahead I failed to see the approaching hazard in my mirror, which is on the left. She was trying to come around me on the right.
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJun 5th 2012 edited
     
    Yesterday on the way home, on north-west bound W. Morena, a little past Buenos, another ignorant redneck in a white pickup, pulling a boat on a trailer matches my speed and starts giving me the stink eye. Maybe he thought he was a gorilla and staring me down for a fight. Then he drifted up the curb and onto the median -- including the boat. After he got it back on the road he sped up and left me alone. :face-devil-grin:

    Then this morning, crossing the San Diego river bridge on south bound Morena a CHP officer is also giving me the stink eye. I held my position, ready to defend it if pulled over -- including having a copy of CVC 21202 in my pack but he kept going. It was probably time for his break as the CHP station is right around the corner off Pacific Highway and he left me alone. Then some idiot in another pickup passed me honking repeatedly like an idiot, clearly having to have seen the CHP car go past me doing nothing.

    Nevermind the fact that CVC 21202(a)(3) AND (a)(4) both allow me to control the full lane there.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2012 edited
     
    billd:
    Nevermind the fact that CVC 21202(a)(3) AND (a)(4) both allow me to control the full lane there.

    About (3), which states:


    When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.


    One confusing aspect of this is that the definition of "substandard width lane", "a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane", applies to the vast majority of lanes, and so "substandard width" is a misnomer. In fact, a standard lane, which is usually 11-12 feet wide, is "too narrow", since a lane has to be about 14 feet for safe side by side travel within the lane.

    How did this come about? Well, according to John Forester, when this language was added everyone involved agreed in principle with the idea, but no one realized how wide a lane had to be for safe travel, much less how rare they are, and, that, actually, standard lanes are not wide enough. Here are his words, as posted to the Yahoo! chainguard list yesterday:


    The legal language about substandard width lanes being those which are insufficiently wide for a motorist and a cyclist to safely share side-by-side was concocted by the motorists of the California Statewide Bicycle Committee, charged by the legislature with working out how to restrict cyclists as much as politically possible. I was there. When asked, I stated that a 10-foot lane was certainly too narrow to share, but that's about all I said on that matter. At that time I did not know much about actual lane widths, and the then California standard for two-lane state highways was a 40-foot paved surface with two 12-foot lanes and shoulders (gone the way of all luxuries, now). Later on I worked out a list of lane widths that I and my associates had found suitable for sharing at different traffic speeds, and published it in Bicycle Transportation. For example, for two-lane roads, 25-44 mph, 14 feet; 45-65 mph, 16 feet.

    Now we have learned that the widest standard lane used by traffic engineers is 12 feet, while 11 feet is allowed where necessary (and even 10 feet in very exceptional circumstances). Therefore, we know that all lanes except those which are unusually wide (typically the outside lane where excess space is available) are unsuitable for lane sharing.


    Think about that. All lanes except those which are unusually wide (typically the outside lane where excess space is available) are unsuitable for lane sharing. When you really think about it (which few people do), it's indisputable, and has the remarkable ramification that on all but those roads with bike lanes, and the few with wide outside lanes, the only safe place for a cyclist to ride is in the outside lane, controlling it.

    This is ultimately why there is so much demand for bike lanes. But almost all of the "easy" and relatively inexpensive bike lanes are in place. In many places, like all over downtown, there simply is no more additional space to carve out for lane widening or bike lanes.

    This is why I have so much hope in sharrows and BMUFL signs. Imagine if Morena and W Morena had sharrows in the outside lanes both directions the entire length - wherever there is no bike lane - and accompanied by BMUFL signs. I bet you would get fewer stink eyes!

    I just love the sharrows on Mission Blvd in PB. I always controlled the lane there, and only once got flack for it, but now somehow it feels a bit more righteous or something.

    Sharrows and BMUFL signs are so (relatively) cheap, even compared to bike lanes when there is space, maybe a DeMaio administration would support them?
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeJun 6th 2012
     
    I'm afraid he's going to seek revenge on us for supporting Fletcher. He seems like a mean-spirited egotist who would sue media for running ads against him. He and Dumanis never returned SDCBC surveys. He's just the kind of mayor the majority of San Diego voters want: someone who will continue the partisan gridlock preventing positive change at City Hall. We'll continue to be marginalized and harassed as second class citizens just like under the Sanders administration. Maybe it's time to play the civil rights card.
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJun 8th 2012
     
    I finally went over the Rose Creek bridge this morning. Woo hoo!
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeJun 13th 2012
     
    I had a pleasant encounter with a Carlsbad motorcycle police officer this AM. He wanted to know what I was doing in the right lane on Alga. I told him that I didn't believe the bike lane was safe at over 40mph I wasn't required to ride in it. He agreed and simply asked me to yield if there were vehicles behind me. I then asked if that was necessary if I was going the speed limit :-) Asked me if I could go that fast. I told him that I could do that easily ;-)

    He then praised my lighting system.

    It was good that he was aware of the bike lane exemptions. Sometimes the police are not.
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    @bikingbill: Isn't that nice? : - )

    I was riding down to old town this morning and had a scruffy-looking salmon headed my way. There were two roadies going his direction, but on the proper side of the road, so I pointed at them and yelled, "You really should be riding over there!" He looked at them, smiled at me, and replied, "Oh! Thanks man. Sorry!" And then started looking to get over.

    I like it when it doesn't seem like the world is conspiring against us (even if it is! :face-devil-grin:)
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJun 14th 2012
     
    Today was on the cool side. The school sign read 61F, same as Monday, but it felt a lot colder. Perhaps the marine layer?
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    slow & weird, but it was ON A BIKE!!! :D thanks to a very good friend who is loaning me one (hippie, you da-man!) seriously weird riding a commuter hybrid type bike... i does not move the same, not in the slightest! but it was comfy & smooth... like riding a couch with handlebars. :face-devil-grin:
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    Ooooh... a couch with handlebars sounds comfy! heh

    I was pretty slow this morning. A guy on a MTB/commuter-type bike passed me on the slight uphill by the brewery on Santa Fe road and I lost him almost immediately. Usually I can see the blinkies ahead in the distance before the first bend on the bike path, under the 52. Not today!
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    gavilan:Ooooh... a couch with handlebars sounds comfy! heh

    I was pretty slow this morning. A guy on a MTB/commuter-type bike passed me on the slight uphill by the brewery on Santa Fe road and I lost him almost immediately. Usually I can see the blinkies ahead in the distance before the first bend on the bike path, under the 52. Not today!

    Was the dead squirrel still there, under the 52? Saw it yesterday.
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      CommentAuthorKathy
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012
     
    PacMUle:like riding a couch with handlebars.

    You mean like this? :face-monkey:

    collectionofcouchbikes07
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2012
     
    HAHA!! exactly!
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    One of my typical commute routes takes me downtown by Petco and the new public library. I really enjoy seeing the construction progress. (Thank your father, Lisi!)
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeJun 20th 2012
     
    My bunny rabbit buddy is back. He sprints alongside me on the shoulder of Alga for 50 ft at 21mph or so and then goes into the bushes.
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2012 edited
     
    Serge2:
    gavilan:Ooooh... a couch with handlebars sounds comfy! heh

    I was pretty slow this morning. A guy on a MTB/commuter-type bike passed me on the slight uphill by the brewery on Santa Fe road and I lost him almost immediately. Usually I can see the blinkies ahead in the distance before the first bend on the bike path, under the 52. Not today!

    Was the dead squirrel still there, under the 52? Saw it yesterday.


    I don't recall any dead squirrel from the morning ride that day...
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeJun 21st 2012
     
    loooooooong ride home yesterday... about 30 min more than normal. but as a plus, i was able to see a rabbit on the stadium path run face first into the curb while trying to run across. i guess he was focused on me a lil too much. maybe you just had to have seen it, but i was laughing my ass off! ... but then again i am the kinda jerk that still giggles when i see kids fall.
    :face-devil-grin:
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2012 edited
     
    This morning, while on the way to work, the bike lane on Linda Vista road (south-west) was blocked by signs saying "right lane closed ahead" so I moved out into the lane around Glidden St Via Las Cumbres.

    Some idiot comes up behind me and can't bear the thought of changing lanes, leaning on his horn. He realizes that I'm not moving over so he changes lanes and quickly moves back right and almost plows into the line of cones ahead and has to jerk his car back left. No real danger but it was hilarious with the stupidity. He HAD to be in the slow lane, in spite of several signs saying that the right lane was closed ahead and then almost plowing through a bunch of cones. The obsessive compulsive right lane idiots never cease to entertain me.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2012
     
    billd:This morning, while on the way to work, the bike lane on Linda Vista road (south-west) was blocked by signs saying "right lane closed ahead" so I moved out into the lane around Glidden St.

    Some idiot comes up behind me and can't bear the thought of changing lanes, leaning on his horn. He realizes that I'm not moving over so he changes lanes and quickly moves back right and almost plows into the line of cones ahead and has to jerk his car back left. No real danger but it was hilarious with the stupidity. He HAD to be in the slow lane, in spite of several signs saying that the right lane was closed ahead and almost plowing through a bunch of cones. The obsessive compulsive right lane idiots never cease to entertain me.

    I bet it's almost always someone on a route they take almost daily on auto-pilot. They habitually take the right lane and it feels like their lane. Having to alter their routine -- even for something as minor as a lane change - is irritating and annoying enough. Having to do it because of what they perceive as totally unnecessary (a bicyclist in the middle of the lane! Can you imagine!) is simply intolerable.

    Or something like that.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2012
     
    Bill, do you recognize this guy?
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJul 13th 2012
     
    Crap. I read the map wrong. It was actually Via Las Cumbres where I moved out into the lane.

    No, I don't recognize that guy.
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeJul 18th 2012 edited
     
    I was really not looking forward to riding up the hills on my way back home yesterday, but it was SO beautiful out!!! I knew as soon as I was out and about I'd really enjoy it and, of course, that's what happened. :)
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2012
     
    lol... got cursed with a dub-step ride home last night :( got some cheapy tires till i can get continentals again, & one of them thought it would be cool to start bubbling out at the seem. big ass blob of tire about 1/4 of an inch out the side = wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wub... almost 20 miles, errrrr!

    on a lighter side, since i've been riding the Torpado, about every other day a woman will yell out of her car "i LOVE your bike!"... me too lady, meee too.
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJul 27th 2012
     
    I had to drive today because my company is moving and I need to put some of my stuff in my car which I don't trust the movers to move without breaking (like my computer).

    Driving to work sucks.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeAug 1st 2012
     
    I had an early meeting, so I set off at 5:20AM ... before dawn.

    So pleasant. Very few cars. Even the air smells better. By the time I got to the coast it was getting light out.

    Also, the Lumotech light does a fine job of lighting the road. Good thing as I avoided a dead possum on a descent.
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    CommentAuthorbikingbillCommentTime1 day ago
    I had an early meeting, so I set off at 5:20AM ... before dawn.

    So pleasant. Very few cars. Even the air smells better. By the time I got to the coast it was getting light out.

    Also, the Lumotech light does a fine job of lighting the road. Good thing as I avoided a dead possum on a descent.


    I too started early (4 am) ,encountered no traffic, and had an urban wildlife near-miss. Difference is--the varmint I encountered was far from dead. As I crossed the bridge across the river out of OB, I saw something scurrying along the path in front of me. It was a skunk...a fast one. I actually got my phone out and tried to get a photo, with minimal success.
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    On the way home from work tonight riding down university at 6th a cat was turning, I was behind it so I veered left, a guy and his girlfriend went to the right of out for some reason. The girl had a neer miss the guy got right hooked. Stopped, seemed like the guy was okay. Never really a good idea to do that so I'm not sure why they did. A very shitty thing to see none the less.

    Ride safe.
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      CommentAuthorPacMUle
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012 edited
     
    i see that all the time though... i don't get why people would pass on the right in those situations, it seems like such an obvious disaster.

    btw, anyone now where the switch is to turn down the sun?... suuuuuuuper hot lately!
    • CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012 edited
     
    PacMUle:i see that all the time though... i don't get why people would pass on the right in those situations, it seems like such an obvious disaster.

    I like that it wasn't me or Serge pointing that out. :)
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2012
     
    Nice and warm this morning. :)