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    • CommentAuthorAlanKHG
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2010
     
    Every Monday when I ride to work down Torrey Pines, the bike lane is lousy with garbage cans. Is that legal?
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      CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2010
     
    I'm not sure if it is legal.

    However, if the bike lane is blocked, then C.V.C. 21208 no longer applies and you don't have to stay in the bike lane.
    • CommentAuthorthom
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2010
     
    It happens on Utah Street too, and many other uptown neighborhoods.
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    • CommentAuthorWilliam.
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2010
     
    That happens other places. I locked up my bike a few times and moved them all out of the bike lane between parked cars. It stopped happening a few weeks later.
    • CommentAuthorthom
    • CommentTimeNov 22nd 2010
     
    billd:...and you don't have to stay in the bike lane.

    Or, you don't *get* to stay in the bike lane.
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      CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2010
     
    ....keeping my mouth shut....
    • CommentAuthorWilliam.
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2010 edited
     
    I know a place they put Krails in the bike lane. For 8 years. Still there too!:face-devil-grin:

    And unfortunately, taking the lane, as it were, is just not something that can be done there safely.:face-crying:
    • CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2010
     
    I push the garbage cans over and out of the lane as I pass.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2012
     
    Still happens every Thursday in North Park area. I don't quite get why. Most of them (especially those living on Utah) could put the thing out in the alley. I'd make exception for when there's construction work going on in the alley, but there hasn't been one for a few months now. A lot of these cans actually are put out in the bike lane on Wednesday night and aren't taken back inside until late Thursday evening when their owners get home from work). Sometimes a lot of them are still out there on Friday mornings. :oP
    • CommentAuthorPetteri
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2012
     
    Seems pretty dangerous to leave big black obstacles in the middle of the lane after dark. Wonder what the liability situation is like if someone actually crashes into them...
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2012
     
    Somebody will no doubt chime in real soon to say that placing trash cans in the bike lane is not illegal: That is hardly the point - you wouldn't put your trash cans in the middle of the driving lane, so why would you put it in the (much narrower) bike lane?
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      CommentAuthorsvelocity
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2012
     
    Group buy: Stickers that say "Please don't place your waste bin in my bike lane. Thanks!" Something that is big and orange with a cutesy graphic of some sort. We'll slap it on top of the lid and so every time the trash get put in the street it will remind the home owner.
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    I hope this helps.

    LADOT launch this program but I doubt many would see it.

    http://ladotbikeblog.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/dont-trash-the-bike-lane/



    Rules and Regulations

    The CA Vehicle Code clearly states that bike lanes cannot be blocked or obstructed. According to the CA Vehicle Code (VC) Section 21211, which details rule and regulations regarding the obstruction of Bikeways or Bicycle Paths or Trails;

    (a) No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or private bicycle path or trail, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist.
    (b) No person may place or park any bicycle, vehicle, or any other object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or trail, as specified in subdivision (a), which impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist unless the placement or parking is necessary for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance with the law.
    VC21211 doesn’t apply to public utility vehicles, delivery vehicles, garbage trucks, or tow vehicles so long as they are engaged in business while parked.
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    An even bigger poster on FLIKR
    Dont Trash the Bike Lane Campaign
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeNov 29th 2012
     
    Are we allowed to make stickers out of this poster (so we can stick 'em on those obstructive trash cans when we pass them)? Do you know? :o)
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeNov 30th 2012
     
    <blockquote><cite> thom:</cite>It happens on Utah Street too, and many other uptown neighborhoods. <a href="http://s687.photobucket.com/albums/vv233/thombahde/?action=view&amp;current=DSCN5364.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i687.photobucket.com/albums/vv233/thombahde/DSCN5364.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a></blockquote> When I look at this photo I see not only the trash cans in the door zone bike lane, but also the debris that inevitably collects there, debris which can easily include glass, nails, staples and other puncture-inducing artifacts. I also see a smooth and swept-perfectly-clean-by-motor-traffic traffic lane, clear of the door zone, and absolutely devoid of traffic or anything else. I know where I would ride, and the illegally placed trash cans just makes my choice easier to justify.
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      CommentAuthormarkphilips
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2012 edited
     
    I found this listed here but "Bike Lanes" were not specified.

    V C Section 21211 Obstruction of Bikeways or Bicycle Paths or Trails
    Obstruction of Bikeways or Bicycle Paths or Trails

    21211. (a) No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or private bicycle path or trail, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist.

    (b) No person may place or park any bicycle, vehicle, or any other object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or trail, as specified in subdivision (a), which impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist unless the placement or parking is necessary for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance with the law.

    (c) This section does not apply to drivers or owners of utility or public utility vehicles, as provided in Section 22512.

    (d) This section does not apply to owners or drivers of vehicles who make brief stops while engaged in the delivery of newspapers to customers along the person's route.

    (e) This section does not apply to the driver or owner of a rubbish or garbage truck while actually engaged in the collection of rubbish or garbage within a business or residence district if the front turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed simultaneously and the rear turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed simultaneously.

    (f) This section does not apply to the driver or owner of a tow vehicle while actually engaged in the towing of a vehicle if the front turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed simultaneously and the rear turn signal lamps at each side of the vehicle are being flashed simultaneously.
    Amended Ch. 517, Stats. 1993. Effective January 1, 1994.
    Amended Sec. 21, Ch. 1007, Stats. 1999. Effective January 1, 2000.
    Amended Sec. 7, Ch. 127, Stats. 2001. Effective July 30, 2001.
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      CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeDec 13th 2012
     
    Just to clarify for anyone who doesn't already know, bike lanes are class II bikeways.

    SHC 890.4(b)

    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=00001-01000&file=890-894.2
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    I say kick em. Full or empty.
    • CommentAuthorVeloCafé
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2013
     
    billd:Just to clarify for anyone who doesn't already know, bike lanes are class II bikeways. SHC 890.4(b) http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=shc&group=00001-01000&file=890-894.2

    I'm curious if your comment is intended to mean that it is legal to place trash cans like this? CVC 21211(a) states "No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or private bicycle path or trail, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist.

    IMO the or any other public or private bicycle path or trail makes whatever designation it may be irrelevant.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeJan 11th 2013
     
    <blockquote><cite> VeloCafé:</cite><blockquote><cite> billd:</cite>Just to clarify for anyone who doesn't already know, bike lanes are class II bikeways. SHC 890.4(b)
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    I'm curious if your comment is intended to mean that it is legal to place trash cans like this? CVC 21211(a) states "No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, <strong>or any other public or private bicycle path or trail</strong>, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist. IMO the <strong>or any other public or private bicycle path or trail</strong> makes whatever designation it may be irrelevant.</blockquote> Here's my take, FWIW. <blockquote>21211. (a) No person may stop, stand, sit, or loiter upon any class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any other public or private bicycle path or trail, if the stopping, standing, sitting, or loitering impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist.</blockquote> <em>"class I bikeway, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code"</em> refers very specifically to a bike path that meets the standards in the Streets and Highways Code, and, especially, does not include Class II bikeways (bike lanes). <em>"or any other public or private bicycle path or trail"</em> - this refers to any bike path or bike trail that does not meet the standards, but I don't see how it could include a bike lane, because a bike lane is not a "bicycle path or trail". <blockquote>(b) No person may place or park any bicycle, vehicle, or any other object upon any bikeway or bicycle path or trail, as specified in subdivision (a), which impedes or blocks the normal and reasonable movement of any bicyclist unless the placement or parking is necessary for safe operation or is otherwise in compliance with the law.</blockquote> When I first read this in December I missed the <em>"as specified in subdivision (a)"</em> clause, and so interpreted <em>"any bikeway or bicycle path or trail"</em> to include bike lanes, since bike lanes are Class II <em>bikeways</em>. But since it is qualified with that clause, it's limited to the specification in (a), which clearly excludes bike lanes. So, I don't see how placing objects like garbage cans (or "bike lane closed" signs for that matter) in a <strong>bike lane</strong> is a violation of 21211, and I'm pretty sure it's not a violation of any other law. I suspect the reasoning is that obstructions in bike lanes are easy to go around... by merging into the traffic lane. Besides, even an object in a bike path is not necessarily a violation. As long as "normal and reasonable movement" by bicyclists on the bike path is not impeded or blocked, it's fine.
    • CommentAuthorJSnook
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2013
     
    I rode through El Cajon the other day and all the garbage cans along Washington were on the sidewalk which I thought was pretty nice. The bike lane is minimum width there, the lanes are narrow and motorists give no quarter, so it was definitely appreciated by me that the garbage pickup was being done off the sidewalk.
    • CommentAuthorbootfail
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2013
     
    I was riding down Friars this afternoon, and came across an event sign that had been placed in the bike lane, which was knocked over causing all kinds of hazard. I was just curious if this was allowed to this per code 21211 posted above? Sorry if there was a more appropriate thread this could have gone into, and thanks in advance.
    Bike Lane Debris
    • CommentAuthorbossvoss
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2013
     
    My favorite is the large "Bike Lane Closed Ahead" sign that is place in the bike lane and completely blocks it, well ahead of the actual lane closure.

    Another favorite is when construction crews are too lazy to remove their signs at the end of the work day and leave them blocking the bike lane after they leave. Would they get away with that for a non-bike lane? I used to move or knock them over, but I stopped after realizing this just moves the problem from the cyclist to the pedestrian.

    So I too am curious on this topic.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2013
     
    DustinAirHead:I say kick em. Full or empty.


    If I had a cargo bike .... but that would be wrong :-)
    • CommentAuthorVeloCafé
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2013
     
    10 News picked up and ran with this story ... will see if they really follow thru.

    http://www.10news.com/news/illegal-lane-blocking-upsets-bicyclists
    • CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2013
     
    Are most people who listen to 10 News entitled reactionaries? Check out the comments.