SD Bike Commuter - San Diego Bike-o-Rama Thu, 23 May 2013 00:51:08 -0700 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42966#Comment_42966 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42966#Comment_42966 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:49:27 -0700 Geoff
Okay, this is another "Judges' Discretion" photo. The area that I took this in is geographically inside the city of San Diego. However, I acknowledge that some may consider it North County. If that is the popular ruling, I will post another photo in the morning. Otherwise, this is my tag. Anyone who can name the building designer (the staff inside would be happy to tell you) wins . . . ummm . . . uh . . . 10 INTERNETS BONUS POINTS*!!!.

*(Internets points expire yesterday; offer void in Utah)]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42968#Comment_42968 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42968#Comment_42968 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:54:14 -0700 Sigurd mileco:Okay, this is another "Judges' Discretion" photo. The area that I took this in is geographically inside the city of San Diego. However, I acknowledge that some may consider it North County. You're fine with this one, Mileco.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42973#Comment_42973 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42973#Comment_42973 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:09:34 -0700 dstone San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42974#Comment_42974 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42974#Comment_42974 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:12:33 -0700 bicyclista mileco: Anyone who can name the building designer (the staff inside would be happy to tell you) wins . . . ummm . . . uh . . . 10 INTERNETS BONUS POINTS*!!!.

*(Internets points expire yesterday; offer void in Utah)

Michael Graves]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42981#Comment_42981 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42981#Comment_42981 Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:44:56 -0700 dstone

Nocturnal non-emissions.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42998#Comment_42998 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=42998#Comment_42998 Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:02:11 -0700 mfutch San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43069#Comment_43069 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43069#Comment_43069 Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:43:43 -0700 dstone San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43071#Comment_43071 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43071#Comment_43071 Sat, 17 Mar 2012 23:06:46 -0700 Old Knotty Buoy Rule #3: "As "it", you have 48 hours to place a new tag. If you don't, the honor of being "it" transfers to the second finder/poster. It is highly encouraged to post the new tag quickly and in a way that is locationally diverse: In short, if you don't have the time or inclination to place a new tag quickly, don't claim one in the first place. And try to go the extra mile to place the tag somewhere different than the neighborhood you found it in.

I think you're okay as far as getting the next tag up. You haven't been "Bruced" yet in the sense of not placing a tag within 48 hours, by someone who may claim the last tag at the Hyatt.

I'm not well versed on all the rules so someone may rule differently.

Ride well and be safe out there.

OKB]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43074#Comment_43074 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43074#Comment_43074 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:46:52 -0700 dstone
Hmmm, that's quite ambiguous. Where in the heck is this? But wait! What's that, in the spokes on the back wheel? Commander, zoom in there and enhance!

A set of coordinates! Could be useful....

OK kids, here's the name of the game: the first photo is intentionally ambiguous but there so no one thinks I wimped out. The second is for you to use, because the tag location isn't anything special, but more of a delightful hidden surprise, so use the second image to figure out where the surprise is, and after that figure out how to get to it. Some folks will undoubtedly know this spot. But it's a great little ride to it!

Sigurd has to give everyone else a 2-day headstart on this one. He suggested this variation in the first place and will obliterate this tag come early morning otherwise. If the rain does not hold sway on the morrow, get out and acquire this place!

I reserve the right to verify the correct tag photo (I will be lenient to within a few meters, about the resolution posted above).]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43075#Comment_43075 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43075#Comment_43075 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 07:17:56 -0700 Sigurd
dstone: I forget the word on this- the tag is now open, but if I place the new tag before someone else reclaims the old one, do I still get to lay claim to the new tag?
Just for clarification:

In order for a "finder" to lose his right to place a new tag, both of these requirements have to be met:

1) Your find has to have been "Bruced".
2) Your 48 time limit to place a new tag has to have lapsed.

In your case there was no "Bruce" - so the above two requirements are not met: You are OK!

PS! How did you identify the location coordinates - is there an app for that (or did you bring a GPSR, or look it up on your computer in advance)?]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43076#Comment_43076 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43076#Comment_43076 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:04:45 -0700 dstone San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43079#Comment_43079 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43079#Comment_43079 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:41:35 -0700 svelocity
Any chance you could post them in case I'm reading them incorrectly?]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43080#Comment_43080 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43080#Comment_43080 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:48:28 -0700 lisi San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43081#Comment_43081 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43081#Comment_43081 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:27:59 -0700 dstone 32 50 476
117 15 147

I will let you fill in the symbols and other necessary directions.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43084#Comment_43084 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43084#Comment_43084 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:16:50 -0700 Serge2
Hillside path

Or click here
Hope this works. From iPhone.

]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43085#Comment_43085 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43085#Comment_43085 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:21:57 -0700 Sigurd Serge2:Hope this works. From iPhone. It didn't - but I fixed it for you. Many here use Photobucket with Photobucket App.

PS! I was actually thinking that deciphering David's handwritten scribbles was half the fun!]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43089#Comment_43089 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43089#Comment_43089 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:11:34 -0700 dstone Serge2:Or click here
Hope this works. From iPhone.
Excellent! All good, you are cleared to place the next tag!]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43090#Comment_43090 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43090#Comment_43090 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:13:45 -0700 dstone Sigurd:
Serge2:Hope this works. From iPhone.
It didn't - but I fixed it for you. Many here use Photobucket with Photobucket App.

PS! I was actually thinking that deciphering David's handwritten scribbles was half the fun!I didn't want to let the actual numbers get in the way, though it would have been amusing if the coordinates were misread and they placed you out in the desert or (as it happened with svelocity) in the ocean. I tried to at least make folks work for the degrees, minutes, seconds, etc. of the coordinates.

PS- Sorry to hold you back, Sigurd, but I figured you had unfair advanced knowledge of the location.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43091#Comment_43091 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43091#Comment_43091 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:14:45 -0700 Serge2
With my phone's GPS it kept saying I was 11 yards then 8 yards then finally 3 yards away was the best I could do for some reason.

I hope to get out tomorrow morning again before work for the next one.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43092#Comment_43092 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43092#Comment_43092 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:18:20 -0700 Sigurd dstone:Sorry to hold you back, Sigurd, but I figured you had unfair advanced knowledge of the location.

I don't mind at all - but will you at least allow me to Bruce it without having to wait for two days?

Photobucket Photobucket

:face-devil-grin:]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43094#Comment_43094 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43094#Comment_43094 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:23:36 -0700 dstone Sigurd:
dstone:Sorry to hold you back, Sigurd, but I figured you had unfair advanced knowledge of the location.


I don't mind at all - but will you at least allow me to Bruce it without having to wait for two days?

Photobucket Photobucket

:face-devil-grin:Of course, but next placement rights are held by Serge :)]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43096#Comment_43096 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43096#Comment_43096 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:17:09 -0700 Serge2 google earth view from this point.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43106#Comment_43106 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43106#Comment_43106 Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:35:24 -0700 Shady John
]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43139#Comment_43139 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43139#Comment_43139 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 10:03:46 -0700 Serge2
Sorry!!!]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43142#Comment_43142 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43142#Comment_43142 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:27:28 -0700 Sigurd
I have no intent of actually executing my Bruce privileges, seeing as I kind of knew ahead of time where DStone's tag was: Consider my Bruce invalid. Unless and until a valid Bruce materializes, you can still post your new tag even if the 48 hr limit has expired.

So go out and place it!]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43161#Comment_43161 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43161#Comment_43161 Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:29:25 -0700 Shady John San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43163#Comment_43163 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43163#Comment_43163 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:18:31 -0700 Sigurd ShadyGaga:Mine was not a valid Bruce...Serge is still up.Thanks for clarifying that, Shady - I was in fact wondering if you had intended your photo as a Bruce or not.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43171#Comment_43171 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43171#Comment_43171 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:32:51 -0700 Serge2 So I loaded it on Facebook and figured out how to get the URL for that. Preview indicates it works. Hope that's a permalink with Facebook.

Where is this?

Okay, here's the hint.

When I was getting ready to take this picture, a neighbor stepped out and I explained to him why I was taking the picture. He said that when the owner of this house is home, it might be difficult for others to get this picture. The secret service will stop you.

Luckily, the owner is very busy elsewhere in the country right now and unlikely to be home in the next few days. But as we get closer to June he should be here more and more often.

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Okay, got it to work from flickr:

]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43172#Comment_43172 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43172#Comment_43172 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:40:50 -0700 dstone San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43173#Comment_43173 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43173#Comment_43173 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:14:20 -0700 HMeins San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43174#Comment_43174 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43174#Comment_43174 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:26:14 -0700 Serge2
Reason #57 for him to lose: not to clog up this whole part of San Diego with secret service when he's in town! Can you imagine what a nightmare that would be? The procession from Miramar would create havoc in traffic.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43175#Comment_43175 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43175#Comment_43175 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:48:20 -0700 Old Knotty Buoy
It's a nice day and the afternoon breeze hasn't yet filled in.

New Post tomorrow.







Ride well and be safe out there,

OKB]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43176#Comment_43176 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43176#Comment_43176 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:50:17 -0700 HMeins
I don't think we'll have to worry about it. This is like three riders in a break who all start playing track sprint cat & mouse until the GC leader finally catches them and blasts past them for the win.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43177#Comment_43177 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43177#Comment_43177 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:00:11 -0700 Serge2 Here is an article about it.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43178#Comment_43178 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43178#Comment_43178 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:25:15 -0700 HMeins San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43181#Comment_43181 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43181#Comment_43181 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:08:05 -0700 dstone San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43183#Comment_43183 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43183#Comment_43183 Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:37:04 -0700 Serge2 wpstoll:My father and I both grew up in this area and I would absolutely hate to see a classic block and brick La Jolla home razed and replaced with a La Costa style McMansion. Judging from that horrible white wedding cake on I-5 I suppose we can't expect Romney to have any kind of aesthetic taste (now the Mormon Mafia will be after me as well). Why he can't just leave well enough alone architecturally is beyond me.
Aesthetically, I agree. But I also recognize that since it's private property in which I have no stake, it's not up to me. This is not a private community with CC&Rs to which we've all contractually agreed to follow at the time of purchase.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43221#Comment_43221 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43221#Comment_43221 Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:02:47 -0700 deprotinator Serge2:Here is an article about it.
I did some research and found a preliminary architectural plan of his new 11,062-ft house.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43223#Comment_43223 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43223#Comment_43223 Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:20:05 -0700 Serge2 San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43232#Comment_43232 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43232#Comment_43232 Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:41:54 -0700 Old Knotty Buoy La Jolla digs.


@wpstoll,
"until the GC leader finally catches them and blasts past them for the win."

Ha! That's funny; if you only knew of my pedestrian pace you'd be laughing too. These guys are the "kings of the hills", I'm just a low country "beach cruiser."


@dstone,
"I always feel like a creeper when visitors want to walk down to his house and look in but hey, it's not a private street, ya know?"

It's only because of his celebrity that folks want to check it out. I feel bad for the neighbors who probably had a nice level of autonomy and privacy. It's funny, feeling sorry for the rich folks, but often they're good folks who just happen to be long time residents and non-intrusive in the local 'hood. When the circus comes to town, that nice bucolic seaside neighborhood will be rocked.


Anyway....

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Ahoy and Avast Matey's,

For all you filthy landlubberly, grog guzzling, pub crawling scally wags, I've set me sights on a good ship for taggin' this fine and fair day. She's a Stately and quick vessel, built to collect revenues from the pirates that would run the rum illegal from south of the border.



There's a fair number of knots in that there rigging! It would take a seasoned captain and a fine crew to undue the Gordian Knot that is her rigging and set her to sail to the Coronado Islands and the good chase of the Rum Runners.





Hoist a cold refreshing ale and sing out lads and lassies, "fair winds and good hunting!"


Fair winds and good hunting indeed,

OKB]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43259#Comment_43259 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43259#Comment_43259 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:17:12 -0700 The Schwinn Lawyer San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43260#Comment_43260 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43260#Comment_43260 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:32:09 -0700 Serge2 The Schwinn Lawyer:I got the tag but can't remember how to upload - been so long since I've done it. Can someone remind me?
First upload the image to an image farm like flikr, PhotoBucket or facebook.
Get the URL to the jpg.
Click on "img" and enter that URL.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43261#Comment_43261 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43261#Comment_43261 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:32:17 -0700 The Schwinn Lawyer Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43262#Comment_43262 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43262#Comment_43262 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:33:03 -0700 The Schwinn Lawyer San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43263#Comment_43263 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43263#Comment_43263 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:41:58 -0700 Hans ]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43266#Comment_43266 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43266#Comment_43266 Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:04:13 -0700 The Schwinn Lawyer Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos


Last tag was the HMS Surprise. I have NOT been at the new tag since snagging the boat photo.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43379#Comment_43379 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43379#Comment_43379 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 17:06:29 -0700 Hans
Next tag will be up by the time you enjoy your morning coffee.]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43389#Comment_43389 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43389#Comment_43389 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:02:02 -0700 Hans

Previous post is on India, 1/2 block north of Hawthorn]]> San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43391#Comment_43391 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43391#Comment_43391 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:48:28 -0700 markphilips San Diego Bike-o-Rama http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43405#Comment_43405 http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=524&Focus=43405#Comment_43405 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:57:18 -0700 Sariously markphilips:Since I am on this photo does that mean I am not allowed to tag this one?:face-angel:

Don't be a cheater :)

I am not sure where this is but I gave a couple places a try when I was out and about. Wrong and wrong. I'll do some research on StreetView and see if I can't give it another go tomorrow.]]>