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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:11:00 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Geoff</author>
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			<![CDATA[I would agree with dangerous - the size of the motorcycle (easily twice as wide as a bike, and weighing 700 lbs) dwarfs the intended use of the path.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:31:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>markphilips</author>
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			<![CDATA[Can you relate to this illustration from Copenhagenize? <br /><img class="auto-embedded" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZEj-5A_YmaU/T1jCZo39VWI/AAAAAAAAGP0/row0SE63wuA/s640/COPENHAGENIZE%2BRIO%2BVERSION%2B04%2B-%2BCopy.jpg" align="top" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:04:29 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Serge2</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > mileco:</cite>I would agree with dangerous - the size of the motorcycle (easily twice as wide as a bike, and weighing 700 lbs) dwarfs the intended use of the path.</blockquote><br />Sorrento Valley Rd (where I saw the motorcycles) is not a path... it's a road, the north end is now closed to motor vehicles.<br /><br />Google map street view:<br /><br /><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=sorrento+valley+rd&hl=en&ll=32.917443,-117.238196&spn=0.053462,0.104284&sll=32.842087,-117.269241&sspn=0.013377,0.026071&hnear=Sorrento+Valley+Rd,+San+Diego,+California+92121&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=32.917443,-117.238196&panoid=NbrqF7sriUIWyJE4JP8y3A&cbp=12,353.78,,0,8.07&source=gplus-ogsb" >maps.google.com/maps?q=sorrento+valley+rd&hl=en&ll=32.917443,-117.238196&spn=0.053462,0.104284&sll=32.842087,-117.269241&sspn=0.013377,0.026071&hnear=Sorrento+Valley+Rd,+San+Diego,+California+92121&t=m&z=14&layer=c&cbll=32.917443,-117.238196&panoid=NbrqF7sriUIWyJE4JP8y3A&cbp=12,353.78,,0,8.07&source=gplus-ogs</a>b<br /><br />Serge]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:37:31 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>sd_mike</author>
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			<![CDATA[If I am on a path/road/whatever that is CLOSED to MOTOR VEHICLES... chances are I'm not going to look out for them... so yes - dangerous. Or... do I need to drive there to demonstrate? If I drive on a path, does it really matter what speed I'm going? I see motorcycles on a path or closed road, I call the cops. They create a danger where none should exist. Do we really need to get into how wide it is? Sounds more like making excuses for the motorcycles which should have known better.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:11:25 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Serge2</author>
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			<![CDATA[Sorry, sd_mike, but I think "danger" is totally overblown when it comes to bicycling in  general (motorcycling, for example, is significantly more dangerous), and is probably the main reason bicycling is not more popular.  So it's a pet peeve of mine. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm" >http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm<br /></a><br /><br />I'm not condoning the motorcyclists for riding on the part of Sorrento Valley Rd closed to motorists - but I assure you there was nothing <em >dangerous</em> about it since they were riding so slow.<br />The reason motorists are prohibited there is not because they are dangerous.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:19:03 -0700</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:56:12 -0700</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:00:31 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>batmick</author>
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			<![CDATA[OK, here is another brain fart in the car centric universe of city planners. I ride Quail Garden Drive frequently and my wife works at Quail Gardens so this is personal.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html</a> <br /><br />So they discover that most cars drive too fast and rather than putting in measures to prevent that, like stop signs or bumps, they just want to increase the speed limit. Brilliant! You can't make this sh*t up. Let's guess what'll happen next. The drivers who go too fast now will see a new speed limit and will just go 5-10 over that, just good enough to avoid a ticket. And all the people wanting to enter and exit the Gardens will have it even harder with that blind hill. And all the people walking and riding their bikes there will feel like on I5. Just awesome!<br /><br />There will be a city meeting tonight at 6PM. Last chance to go and speak your mind against this nonsense (Item #8 and the agenda).<br /><br /><a href="http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5" rel="nofollow">http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5</a><br /><br />People at Quail and residents of the area are also setting up a petition drive. Will update this post if/when that can be accessed online]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:03:14 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>sd_mike</author>
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			<![CDATA[I'll remember to drive my car slowly on bike paths... not a danger then, right? How about the motorcycle I had dealt with on the Murphy Canyon path a few times in the mornings... I was going 20, he was going 25... but not a danger right? Much like my accident on Dec 6 - the other persons speed doesn't really enter into it. They create a danger by being there. We all deal with enough crap from those on four wheels... we don't need it from others on two wheels. I shouldn't have to be looking out for cars or motorcycles when in a bicycle lane or bicycle path. Those that are there present a danger to the proper users of those facilities. You don't think it is a danger? Fine. Get hit by one, then lets talk. I've been hit already.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:19:19 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Serge2</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > sd_mike:</cite>I shouldn't have to be looking out for cars or motorcycles when in a bicycle lane or bicycle path. Those that are there present a danger to the proper users of those facilities. You don't think it is a danger? Fine. Get hit by one, then lets talk. I've been hit already.</blockquote><br />What is dangerous is <i >not</i> looking out for cars or motorcycles in bicycle lanes.<br /><br />Remember that motorists often cross bike lanes (like to enter or exit a driveway or alley), and motorists who are preparing to turn right are legally <i >required</i> to enter and drive in the bicycle lane prior to turning.<br /><br /><blockquote ><strong ><a href="http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21717.htm" >21717</a></strong>.  Whenever it is necessary for the driver of a motor vehicle to cross a bicycle lane that is adjacent to his lane of travel to make a turn, the driver shall drive the motor vehicle into the bicycle lane prior to making the turn and shall make the turn pursuant to Section 22100.</blockquote><br /><br />Also, unless posted to the contrary, it's legal to park in bicycle lanes.<br /><br />Even on bike paths, if your expectation is no motorists, the one time you come around a bend and encounter a street sweeper or some other kind of maintenance vehicle you don't expect, you might be in for quite a surprise.<br /><br />But anyway, we weren't talking about a bicycle lane or bicycle path for that matter... but Sorrento Valley <strong >Road</strong>.<br /><br /><del >I don't know the details or contributory causes</del> of your Dec 6 crash, but I doubt a motorist's mere presence could be a cause of it.<br /><br />UPDATE: I found the discussion about the crash on pp 35-36 of "Just sayin'".  Classic left cross.  See Collision Type #8 at <a href="http://bicyclesafe.com/" >bicyclesafe.com</a>.  I presume you're fully recovered now?]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:48:56 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>billd</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > Serge2:</cite>Even on bike paths, if your expectation is no motorists, the one time you come around a bend and encounter a street sweeper or some other kind of maintenance vehicle you don't expect, you might be in for quite a surprise.</blockquote>I have encountered city/county maintenance vehicles on several bike paths.  I have also encountered police cars on bike paths, including the Rose Canyon path just south of Gilman.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:41:02 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[Southbound in that very location I nearly collided head on with a County Probation Dept. van coming up the hill at a good clip with no spotter walking ahead. I ended up in the weeds.The female deputy driving was verbally abusive so I called her supervisor and was told she'd be receiving counseling on how to safely drive her van on narrow bike paths.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:46:16 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Paul</author>
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			<![CDATA[The Switzer Canyon lanes were paved yesterday and are a huge improvement.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:47:59 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>billd</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>Southbound in that very location I nearly collided head on with a County Probation Dept. van coming up the hill at a good clip with no spotter walking ahead. I ended up in the weeds.The female deputy driving was verbally abusive so I called her supervisor and was told she'd be receiving counseling on how to safely drive her van on narrow bike paths.</blockquote>Probation department?  What were they doing there?  Did they have people doing community service cleanup along the path or something?]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:08:25 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[It looked as if they were trimming brush away from the fence next to the s-curve where vegetation reduced sight lines. The van was full of probationers who expressed mild amusement that a cyclist was fearlessly confronting a uniformed and armed deputy sheriff.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:31:26 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bikingbill</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > batmick:</cite>OK, here is another brain fart in the car centric universe of city planners. I ride Quail Garden Drive frequently and my wife works at Quail Gardens so this is personal.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html</a> <br /><br />So they discover that most cars drive too fast and rather than putting in measures to prevent that, like stop signs or bumps, they just want to increase the speed limit. Brilliant! You can't make this sh*t up. Let's guess what'll happen next. The drivers who go too fast now will see a new speed limit and will just go 5-10 over that, just good enough to avoid a ticket. And all the people wanting to enter and exit the Gardens will have it even harder with that blind hill. And all the people walking and riding their bikes there will feel like on I5. Just awesome!<br /><br />There will be a city meeting tonight at 6PM. Last chance to go and speak your mind against this nonsense (Item #8 and the agenda).<br /><br /><a href="http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5" rel="nofollow">http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5</a><br /><br />People at Quail and residents of the area are also setting up a petition drive. Will update this post if/when that can be accessed online</blockquote><br /><br />FUCK.  THAT'S MY MAIN ROUTE.<br /><br />(Especially with the hill challenge).<br /><br />Can't do meeting.  Will fire off email.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:35:01 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bikingbill</author>
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			<![CDATA[Bad link on Agenda.  I think the meeting was yesterday.<br /><br />This town is run by idiots.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:03:41 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>batmick</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > bikingbill:</cite>Bad link on Agenda.  I think the meeting was yesterday.<br /><br />This town is run by idiots.</blockquote><br /><br />Yup, the meeting was last night. Could not make it either. But it seems like some local residents and Quail will continue to fight it.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:23:04 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[Small town city councils like those in Encinitas and Solana Beach tend to be comprised of amateur politicians on power trips. Small towns - small minds.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:53:08 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bikingbill</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>Small town city councils like those in Encinitas and Solana Beach tend to be comprised of amateur politicians on power trips. Small towns - small minds.</blockquote><br /><br />Worse.  These towns are little Potter-villes where the real estate developers write the campaign checks and call the shots.  <br /><br />It will be interesting to see if Carlsbad's new cycling stuff gets really going.  Maybe they will realize that it will enhance real estate values?]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:27:59 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Serge2</author>
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			<![CDATA[San Diego has been described as a big city run like a small town.<br /><br />Explains a lot.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:52:59 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>batmick</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > bikingbill:</cite><blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>Small town city councils like those in Encinitas and Solana Beach tend to be comprised of amateur politicians on power trips. Small towns - small minds.</blockquote><br /><br />Worse.  These towns are little Potter-villes where the real estate developers write the campaign checks and call the shots.  <br /><br />It will be interesting to see if Carlsbad's new cycling stuff gets really going.  Maybe they will realize that it will enhance real estate values?</blockquote><br /><br />The cynic in me believes that some city "leader" or influential person probably uses Quail Gardens Drive to bypass the traffic on El Camino and/or I5 and is annoyed that he/she can't go freeway speeds. So they did the sensible thing and changed the rules.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:00:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>markphilips</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote >American cities such as Portland have been able to get 7 to 10 percent of commuters onto bikes with conventional bike accommodations such as painted lanes, but “it takes the next level of infrastructure—<strong >physical separation from traffic, separate bike signals, et cetera—to get beyond 10 percent</strong>, and we haven’t done that yet in the U.S.,”</blockquote> Read <a href="http://www.xconomy.com/national/2012/03/16/bikes-and-business-can-cities-cycle-their-way-to-prosperity/2/" >more</a>]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:21:49 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > bikingbill:</cite><blockquote ><cite > batmick:</cite>OK, here is another brain fart in the car centric universe of city planners. I ride Quail Garden Drive frequently and my wife works at Quail Gardens so this is personal.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-quail-gardens-drive-speed-limit-to-increase/article_fd13fa07-53cb-53df-8d3f-9025e21700d6.html</a> <br /><br />So they discover that most cars drive too fast and rather than putting in measures to prevent that, like stop signs or bumps, they just want to increase the speed limit. Brilliant! You can't make this sh*t up. Let's guess what'll happen next. The drivers who go too fast now will see a new speed limit and will just go 5-10 over that, just good enough to avoid a ticket. And all the people wanting to enter and exit the Gardens will have it even harder with that blind hill. And all the people walking and riding their bikes there will feel like on I5. Just awesome!<br /><br />There will be a city meeting tonight at 6PM. Last chance to go and speak your mind against this nonsense (Item #8 and the agenda).<br /><br /><a href="http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5" rel="nofollow">http://encinitas.granicus.com/GeneratedAgendaViewer.php?view_id=7&event_id=5</a> </blockquote><br /><br />People at Quail and residents of the area are also setting up a petition drive. Will update this post if/when that can be accessed online</blockquote><br /><br /><a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/encinitas/encinitas-warning-signs-to-accompany-new-speed-limit-on-quail/article_f893d499-050e-5774-9e0c-b8d8bebf2827.html" >Update</a> on the Quail garden drive. Despite the petition NOT to increase the speed limit the city of Encinitas voted to increase the speed limit from 35 to 40 mph further endangering pedestrians and the thousands of visitors to the Quail Botanical garden. Quail drive is one of the most scenic roads I've ever taken but the single lane pose much hazard to pedestrians who use it for recreation and moving on foot.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:32:57 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><a href="http://garyridesbikes.blogspot.com/2012/02/elly-blues-bikenomics.html" >Which is better for local businesses?</a><br /><img class="auto-embedded" src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6067/6109880111_7d6be29399.jpg" align="top" /></blockquote>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:18:12 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><a href="http://www.streetfilms.org/rethinking-the-automobile-with-mark-gorton/" >Rethinking the Automobile (with Mark Gorton)</a><br />by Clarence Eckerson, Jr. on March 15, 2012 <br />For more than 100 years New York City government policy has prioritized the needs of the automobile over the needs of any other mode of transport. Working under the faulty assumption that more car traffic would improve business, planners and engineers have systematically made our streets more dangerous and less livable. As a result, even the idea that a street could truly be a “place” – a shared space for human interaction and play – has been almost completely destroyed.<br /><embed src="http://vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=36750762&amp;server=vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="448" height="336" align="top" /></blockquote>]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:14:27 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Few days ago I stopped by CalCoast cycles just to check out the store. The first thing I looked for was a bicycle rack but couldn't find one. I tried to lock up by the handicap pole sign but  knockied a few bicycles on display. It was just inconvenient but I found a tree to lock up my bike on the sidewalk. Just saying that they need to set aside bicycle parking for their customers who ride their bikes to their store.<br /><br />I go to the Berry Happy in Encinitas frequently and love to watch most of their customers roll in sometimes by the dozen. The NO PARKING sign relates to any automobile.<br /><img class="auto-embedded" src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6998062287_3cec6c4bb2_z.jpg" align="top" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 22:25:14 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[My office is 50 feet from there.  Decent Boba.]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:22:36 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[To all vehicular cyclist advocates, this is ONE of many reasons why we need more bicycle lanes, sharrows and infrastructure in San Diego County.<br /><br /><blockquote >Penelope Robles<br />11 hours ago near San Diego ·<br /><br />    *<br />      I have a story to share.<br /><br />      Please share this story and help me find out who this person CA Plates 4UPH307 is so that I may speak with them and let them know that assault is never the answer and that I may show them in the CVC book where the law states that I may use the lane when there is no bike lane.<br /><br />      On Saturday March 24 2012 myself and my 7 year old friend Dalyce were more then excited to go support the Bayshore Bikeway path that was finished, we happily jumped on our bikes and on to the road. We took Palomar Street from Hilltop heading down towards Industrial for 2 reasons 1. this was the path google maps gave me for bicycle and 2. a child can't pedal 35 mph so we take roads with more then one lane so we wouldn't become traffic.<br /><br />      When we ride she ride as close as safe to the right and I ride a few inches to her left so that cars coming behind us do no Jerry Brown a child(Jerry Brown'd means to pass within 3 feet of a cyclist) and can see that there is a child she wears neon colors or an orange vest.<br /><br />      We had an incident at 10:50 am that morning as we passed the lights were you can enter target before Industrial. Keep in mind this area has 3 lanes for traffic which is why we traveled down this street. A white car with the CA Plates 4UPH307 decided he wanted to drive within 2 inches to my handle bars, freaked out the words that escaped my lips were "What the hell" this apparently made the motorist pull over in to the Hometown Buffet parking lot as we followed I instructed Dalyce "go to the sidewalk and wait for me." The man then proceed to shout at me which at this point he has unclipped his seat belt, why I do not know but in my mind I was sure he was going to get out and beat me up. The words coming out of his mouth were those of an uneducated motorist. "<strong >You're suppose to be in the bike lane</strong>" " Your only suppose to ride in road that have bike lanes" I tell him if there is no bike lane by law we are allowed to take a lane when necessary "So your suppose to be in the bike lane"<br /><br />      I experience this kind of behavior from motorist daily but this was the last straw as I hyperventilated I dialed 911 repeating the license number. They said they would dispatch a car to look for the vehicle but was there anything done? How is assault with a deadly weapon sane. In LA and SF you can sue a motorist for Harassment.</blockquote>]]>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:05:07 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > markphilips:</cite>To all vehicular cyclist advocates, this is ONE of many reasons why we need more bicycle lanes, sharrows and infrastructure in San Diego County.</blockquote>1. All of the vehicular cyclists I know actually seem to like sharrows.<br /><br />2. Better driver's education would have prevented this incident.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:06:39 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > markphilips:</cite>Few days ago I stopped by CalCoast cycles just to check out the store. The first thing I looked for was a bicycle rack but couldn't find one. I tried to lock up by the handicap pole sign but  knockied a few bicycles on display. It was just inconvenient but I found a tree to lock up my bike on the sidewalk. Just saying that they need to set aside bicycle parking for their customers who ride their bikes to their store.<br /><br />I go to the Berry Happy in Encinitas frequently and love to watch most of their customers roll in sometimes by the dozen. The NO PARKING sign relates to any automobile.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />Whenever I go to CalCoast I just roll my bike on inside, I've never even thought to look for parking.  I just lean it against the counter and shop.  Super nice guys in there.  In one day last week I was the ultimate Adams Avenue bike patron.  I had one bike in for service at Adams Ave, another bike in to Brooklyn Bikes, and bought fenders and gloves at CalCoast.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:04:15 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[This man is a bully.  Deserving of a beat down in my book.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:41:26 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > bikingbill:</cite>This man is a bully.  Deserving of a beat down in my book.</blockquote>He's definitely a bully and as wp likes to say, a terrorist.  He likely also wouldn't have done the same to you, because bullies are cowards.<br /><br />He's also a law breaker, having violated:<br /><br />CVC 21750 by not maintaining a safe distance when passing.<br />CVC 21658 by driving in two lanes at once on a road with more than one lane in the given direction.<br />CVC 23103, reckless driving, by driving with a willful disregard for the safety of persons or property.<br />I'd also argue that he violated California Penal Code 245, assault with a deadly weapon.<br /><br />The driver is a violent criminal and should be in jail.  Those last two allow for that.  I'd guess that the chances that he has a history of violence (with a record) are fairly high.<br /><br />He may have also violated CVC 21703 (tailgating) but it's not clear from her description.  It's common in these kinds of encounters.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:11:20 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > billd:</cite><blockquote ><cite > bikingbill:</cite>This man is a bully.  Deserving of a beat down in my book.</blockquote>He's definitely a bully and as wp likes to say, a terrorist.  He likely also wouldn't have done the same to you, because bullies are cowards.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />Yes, I agree.  I would love to see a study that correlates this, but since I'm never harassed ... I'm pretty sure it's true.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:31:44 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>billd</author>
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			<![CDATA[The driver actually said that bicyclists are only allowed on roads with bike lanes.  That's pure ignorance and adding more bike lanes will not fix the ignorance.  In fact, it will reinforce it.]]>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:52:32 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[For those of us who have been complaining about the substandard width bike lane on unridable pavement on Murphy Canyon Rd. south of Stonecrest Blvd., Jake Aquino from Tom Landre's office just sent me an e-mail. He has fast tracked pavement repair here. Once the road surface is brought up to code the bike lane will be re-painted to standard width. Thanks to everyone who joined me on this one. No thanks to District 6 (Zapf) for stonewalling. Next up is Hotel Circle North, also in District 6.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:18:32 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > markphilips:</cite>To all vehicular cyclist advocates, this is ONE of many reasons why we need more bicycle lanes, sharrows and infrastructure in San Diego County.<br /></blockquote><br /><br />To the contrary, at least with respect to more bicycle lanes, per Bill's point:<br /><br /><blockquote ><cite > billd:</cite>The driver actually said that bicyclists are only allowed on roads with bike lanes.  That's pure ignorance and adding more bike lanes will not fix the ignorance.  In fact, it will reinforce it.</blockquote><br /><br />I'll go a step further and suggest that if there were fewer bike lanes, and maybe if we had more sharrows, the ignorance and misconceptions that underlie this kind of rage would be less common.]]>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:44:19 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[Kill the bike lanes on La Costa and add the sharrows.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:54:15 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[As Bill pointed out regarding Morena, speed limits are too high for sharrows. Carslbad is trying to be more bike friendly. Perhaps Mr. Jones can be persuaded to advocate for standard width bike lanes on La Costa.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:29:37 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Fitz</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>Next up is Hotel Circle North, also in District 6.</blockquote><br /><br />Nice!]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:46:48 -0700</pubDate>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>As Bill pointed out regarding Morena, speed limits are too high for sharrows. Carslbad is trying to be more bike friendly. Perhaps Mr. Jones can be persuaded to advocate for standard width bike lanes on La Costa.</blockquote>"Bicycles May Use Full Lane" signs do not have a maximum speed limit standard like sharrows do.  They can go anywhere that it's legal to control the lane.<br /><br />Like Morena, the speed limit on La Costa appears to be 40mph.  The limit could also be lowered to 35mph which would allow sharrows.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:29:35 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[But that would delay the La Costa car commute by one minute. Can't have that!]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 09:43:23 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>batmick</author>
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			<![CDATA[The way it goes in that region (Encinitas/La Costa) it's rather the other way around. Raise the speed limit!<br /><br />Who cares about non-motorized vehicles = rolling road-blocks ?<br /><br /><img class="auto-embedded" src="http://ravenfamily.org/andyg/images/cartmann.gif" align="top" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:08:17 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>HMeins</author>
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			<![CDATA[El Camino Real from Encinitas to Oceanside is like a southern colony of Orangutan County.]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:38:11 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bikingbill</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > wpstoll:</cite>As Bill pointed out regarding Morena, speed limits are too high for sharrows. Carslbad is trying to be more bike friendly. Perhaps Mr. Jones can be persuaded to advocate for standard width bike lanes on La Costa.</blockquote><br /><br />Yeah, the bike lanes are entirely non-code:<br /><br /><a href="http://g.co/maps/3g7c3" rel="nofollow">http://g.co/maps/3g7c3</a><br /><br />About where I got "Jerry Brown'ed" in 2006 (and knocked down).]]>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:42:22 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>bikingbill</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > batmick:</cite>The way it goes in that region (Encinitas/La Costa) it's rather the other way around. Raise the speed limit!<br /><br />Who cares about non-motorized vehicles = rolling road-blocks ?<br /><br /><img class="auto-embedded" src="http://ravenfamily.org/andyg/images/cartmann.gif" align="top" /></blockquote><br /><br />And yet, Carlsbad has that REVENUE GENERATING 35mph limit on 101 near the power plant :-)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.speedtrap.org/view/California/128097" rel="nofollow">http://www.speedtrap.org/view/California/128097</a>  (Good!)<br /><br />If they can do it there, why not on Quail Gardens and La Costa Ave?]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:11:09 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>billd</author>
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			<![CDATA[Somehow I missed this in the 2012 California MUTCD:<br /><br />In section 9C.07:<blockquote >02a The Shared Lane Marking may be placed on roadways that have a speed limit above 35 mph, where there is bicycle travel and there is no marked bicycle lane or shared-use path and the right-hand traffic lane is too narrow to allow  automobiles to safely pass bicyclists.</blockquote>So sharrows CAN be installed on Morena now.<br /><br />Of course, they could have already been installed on India St, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:24:18 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Geoff</author>
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			<![CDATA[Of course, they could just paint bike lanes and get out of that loophole:<br /><img src="http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/white-trash-repairs-there-i-fixed-it-bicycle-lanes-in-bulgaria.jpg" alt="" />]]>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:05:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Serge2</author>
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			<![CDATA[<blockquote ><cite > billd:</cite>Somehow I missed this in the 2012 California MUTCD:<br /><br />In section 9C.07:<blockquote >02a The Shared Lane Marking may be placed on roadways that have a speed limit above 35 mph, where there is bicycle travel and there is no marked bicycle lane or shared-use path and the right-hand traffic lane is too narrow to allow  automobiles to safely pass bicyclists.</blockquote>So sharrows CAN be installed on Morena now.<br />(snip)</blockquote><br />And on La Costa.<br /><br />And on every other street in San Diego County!]]>
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		<title>Infrastructure</title>
		<link>http://sdbikecommuter.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=583&amp;Focus=43737#Comment_43737</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:40:53 -0700</pubDate>
		<author>Stephan</author>
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			<![CDATA[From Synthetic under  "Funding the wrong projects"<br /> <br />"1) Bayshore bikeway.... the exclusive bike lanes in an area with low automobile traffic... this money could have went implementing exclusive lanes or repaving harbor Dr from navy base to PCH, a critically used artery (work, pleasure).<br /><br />"2) sharrows - this is better used to fill pot holes or set a solid stripe lane for bikers, OR speed bumps for cars - could have this prevented the ortiz incident ?<br /><br />"Cars are breaking speed limit laws, these laws are set by traffic engineers so pedestrians and cyclists can judge cars<br />We need to do all the things "<br /><br />Sharrows are used on designated bike routes where bike lanes don't fit. Filling pot holes is something cities should do everywhere, but especially on designated bike routes. The money used build the Bayshore Bikeway is designated for new projects so it can't be used for maintenance like filling potholes. And the new section is part of a vision for a continuous bikeway around the bay that, when completed, will attract many more riders than the existing on-street route. We need to be doing all these things and we can if we have the political will to do it. Support the Bike Coalition to help make it happen.]]>
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