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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 16th 2013 edited
     
    Apologies to those who might have read this thread already over at the San Diego Bicyclist Forum, but I thought it was interesting enough - mostly in a historical context - to repost over here:

    Question:
    RE: Tower Road through General Atomics
    Is it possible to ride along "General Atomics Ct" and down "Tower Road" to get from the area of UCSD to the Coaster Station in Sorrento Valley?
    I took a quick look at Google Maps and was nothing short of astonished - here was a road I had no idea existed, connecting Sorrento Valley (near Coaster station) to Torrey Pines Rd (near Genesee). The road is a perfect connector between the station and its hinterlands - incl. the 56 path and PQ - and all the companies and hospitals, as well as UCSD campus, off TP Rd and coastal San Diego: Perfect for multimode transportation! Not only that - it seems nicely paved, with nice, wide shoulders,

    Check it out for yourself and be ready to be astonished.

    I figured the find would be too good to be true. Lo and behold, here's the answer from a forum member:
    Once upon a time that was the preferred bicycle route, but GA closed it off for "security reasons" in the 1970s, so it's off limits unless you work at GA or can get a GA employee to escort you through.
    Too bad!

    Gate at the top.

    PS! Tower Rd. would also be perfect missing link for a Torrey Pines - Sorrento Valley climbing loop.
    • CommentAuthorJayKay
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2013
     
    Those security reasons make no sense as well. I used to work for a company on the GA campus. We therefore had access to tower rd. When we moved into a GA owned building in sorrento valley we still had access. We never had to undergo any security check and every employee was given a key to open the gate.

    Nevermindm that we never needed access and people only used it to shortcut traffic to get to the freeway.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2013 edited
     
    Only half in jest - if I were to advice GA on opening Tower Rd, even if it were for non-motorized users only, I would recommend them to keep it closed: Imagine all the cyclists that would be using it, in both directions, as an alternative to TP Grade and that dirt utility road!

    JayKay:Those security reasons make no sense as well. I used to work for a company on the GA campus. We therefore had access to tower rd. When we moved into a GA owned building in sorrento valley we still had access.
    There's even a Strava segment for part of the road -- inside the gates.

    JayKay:We never had to undergo any security check and every employee was given a key to open the gate.
    I wouldn't mind having one of those keys. :)
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      CommentAuthorbatmick
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2013
     
    If you have a mountain bike and some masochistic tendencies, there is an option other than Tower road.

    A little dirt trail goes down the ridge of the hill from the Pfizer property (end of Science Center Drive). I have been told it is open to the public and I see people walking up and down from/to the coaster station. It ends at the back of the little strip mall that contains Cycle Quest. I'd probably be OK riding it downhill but going up definitely requires some serious legs and skills.

    http://goo.gl/maps/nxEN8
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2013
     
    batmick:If you have a mountain bike and some masochistic tendencies, there is an option other than Tower road.

    A little dirt trail goes down the ridge of the hill from the Pfizer property (end of Science Center Drive). I have been told it is open to the public and I see people walking up and down from/to the coaster station. It ends at the back of the little strip mall that contains Cycle Quest. I'd probably be OK riding it downhill but going up definitely requires some serious legs and skills.
    http://goo.gl/maps/nxEN8

    Strava segment
    : 26% grade, on dirt - wow!
    • CommentAuthorShady John
    • CommentTimeOct 18th 2013
     
    Sigurd:
    batmick:If you have a mountain bike and some masochistic tendencies, there is an option other than Tower road.

    A little dirt trail goes down the ridge of the hill from the Pfizer property (end of Science Center Drive). I have been told it is open to the public and I see people walking up and down from/to the coaster station. It ends at the back of the little strip mall that contains Cycle Quest. I'd probably be OK riding it downhill but going up definitely requires some serious legs and skills.
    http://goo.gl/maps/nxEN8

    Strava segment
    : 26% grade, on dirt - wow!


    Most interesting part: ridden 336 times by 12 people. A few hardcore Pfizer or Takeda employees, most likely. When I worked at one of the companies on Science Center Drive, I had co-workers who would hike that trail to get to and from the train station. But I never heard of people riding it.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 19th 2013
     
    @Shady: You work up there - any chance you can finagle a key to Tower Rd? It would be perfect for you to get to PQ - just saying...

    Shady John:But I never heard of people riding it.
    Presumably, the reason for there not being an uphill segment on Strava (that I could find) is that it is pretty unrideable?
    • CommentAuthorShady John
    • CommentTimeOct 20th 2013
     
    Presumably, the reason for there not being an uphill segment on Strava (that I could find) is that it is pretty unrideable?


    Parts of it are over 40%. That would be challenging, to say the least.
    • CommentAuthorShady John
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2013
     
    Sigurd, there is an uphill segment for that trail:

    http://www.strava.com/segments/1347390

    On my ride today, I went both down and up that trail. The surface isn't bad, but it's just steep--I wouldn't want to descend that regularly, because eventually I'd screw up and go over the bars. Going up, I was able to ride up about 10% of the way before I had to bail. I wasn't even to the steep part yet. I was tired, but the limiting factors are balance and traction, not power, I think. It was so steep that it was very difficult to push my bike up, so I put it over my shoulders and hiked up. It's possible that the KOM rode up the whole thing, but I doubt that riding would be any faster than hiking it.

    • CommentAuthorShady John
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2013 edited
     
    Sigurd:@Shady: You work up there - any chance you can finagle a key to Tower Rd? It would be perfect for you to get to PQ - just saying...


    I don't work in the General Atomics complex, so I'm out of luck. I have heard that pedestrians can pass freely, but I haven't verified that. It also might be possible to get to the road from an adjacent property. I figured it's not worth the trouble of trying this because I'd probably end up at the guard station at the bottom trying to explain why I was there.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 24th 2013
     
    Shady John: I have heard that pedestrians can pass freely, but I haven't verified that.
    I sent them an email asking about non-motorized access: Worst case (and maybe most likely!) scenario: A "no" or that they ignore me.
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      CommentAuthorKathy
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2013
     
    Of note - Tower Road came up as one of the alternatives for the Coastal Rail Trail but was eliminated from consideration at the last project working group meeting due to the difficulty acquiring the right-of-way, among other factors. People are definitely thinking it would be a great option, but no one has been able to find a way to deal with the security issues in a way that would make General Atomics happy. I sure would like to make it happen, though - ideas (and even better, a person to talk to at GA) welcome!
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2013
     
    Shady John: I have heard that pedestrians can pass freely, but I haven't verified that.

    For the record - GA has confirmed to me by email that Tower Rd is indeed closed for unauthorized users, including pedestrians:

    We received your email regarding the use of Tower Road. We have received several similar requests in the past. Unfortunately, this is a private road which connects several of our major facilities, and we are not able to permit outside vehicles on the road.
    I'm sorry, but we do not permit pedestrian access.
    • CommentAuthormfutch
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2013
     
    "There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me.
    The sign was painted, said 'Private Property.'
    But on the backside, it didn't say nothing.
    This land was made for you and me."
    • CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2013
     
    Woody Guthrie! This machine kills fascists!
    • CommentAuthormikek
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2014
     
    What are the best directions to and from Grantville Station to Broadway Pier? I’m not too fond of going down Fairmont coming back from my commute due to Montezuma. I did the Google map for bikes and it seems to be a fairly flat route. It had it going through Old Town and up Congress, which seems much better then Pacific Highway. I’m thinking going up Fairmont through North Park and down Pershing in the AM (4:15ish) and using the Google route for the PM. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
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      CommentAuthorPaul
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2014
     
    To-- I'd go up Fairmount to Aldine and then Adams, across the Vermont St. Bridge and then down First or points west. If you don't like descending Fairmont (it sucks) you can descend Texas and take the first right. Camino del Rio South is quiet in between Texas and Fairmont and then you'd have to get out across the 8, which probably sucks.

    Hans and other probably have something better. I know people who use Texas to Friars, but I find it sketchy.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
     
    Camino Del Rio N and Mission City Pkwy is a good alternate to Fairmount at the 8.
    • CommentAuthorStephan
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
     
    If you are planning a route, you might use the bike information on Google Maps, but also check out the new interactive online bike map for the San Diego region. Features include bikeways coming soon, steep slopes, and bike locker locations. Just click on "Layers" to choose. You an choose your base map too.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
     
    mikek:What are the best directions to and from Grantville Station to Broadway Pier? I’m not too fond of going down Fairmont coming back from my commute due to Montezuma. I did the Google map for bikes and it seems to be a fairly flat route. It had it going through Old Town and up Congress, which seems much better then Pacific Highway. I’m thinking going up Fairmont through North Park and down Pershing in the AM (4:15ish) and using the Google route for the PM. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.


    I like the route you figured out. :o) I wouldn't normally like to go up Fairmount or down Pershing into Downtown (icky merging traffic ramps thingy), but traffic shouldn't be any problem for you that early in the day. And coming back around Old Town sounds pretty cool, too. (In the other direction you'd sort of have to salmon on the sidewalk or something on Congress. That thing becomes one-way going north between Pringle and Washington).

    Texas descent is much better now than it was before they repaved and widened the bike lane a bit, tho I still wouldn't like to do it in traffic (the tree branches are starting to encroach on the downhill bike lane again). I usually only go down Texas when I head north for my Saturday century ride (and I'd be thru there before 5am). Still, it is still preferable than the Fairmount descent for me. You just have to worry about a couple of manhole covers toward the bottom and you have to be ready for whatever the traffic light at Cam del Rio South is doing.

    If you don't mind a short steepie and feel like a short cut on the way back sometimes, you can just turn up Bandini St from Congress, keep making right turns and you'll pop up on Sunset Blvd just west of Ft Stockton, take Washington St to First and go down Bachman Pl into the valley. Bandini's first block is sort of hideous, but after that it isn't bad; a nice curvy road lined with nice houses, some nice view of the bay from the left hand curve, and hardly any car (and the few cars you might see on the way up tend to be really friendly, too. I keep getting cheered on and waved at when I take that route up to Mission Hills). :o)
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      CommentAuthorPaul
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
     
    I tried SDMike's suggestion today and it's much better. Mission City and CDR South are mellow. You can use that combo in either direction and either to Texas or Fairmount. If you climb Fairmount after coming across Mission City to CDR North, you don't have to cross on ramps and it's an easy climb till Aldine. I don't recommend descending Fairmount into Mission Valley and there's no reason to Texas all the way across the 8. Take the first right and follow CDR North to Mission City.

    Smorg, I don't know where your century starts, but to get into the west side of Mission Valley, I descend Bachmann, turn right and cut through Fashion. I find that preferable to dealing with the cross traffic on Texas/Qualcomm.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2014
     
    Paul:Smorg, I don't know where your century starts, but to get into the west side of Mission Valley, I descend Bachmann, turn right and cut through Fashion. I find that preferable to dealing with the cross traffic on Texas/Qualcomm.


    Hey Paul. :o) I start from University Heights. I get out of the house by 4:40am or so, though, so there's no traffic around that time of day. I go your route down Bachman if I start later than 5:40am or so, tho. Really don't like to share the Texas St descent (and freeway merge ickies) with cars. ;o)
    • CommentAuthorgottobike
    • CommentTimeJul 1st 2014
     
    Planning to return to bike commuting from my home in District 6 down Linda Vista Rd to the Old Town Transit Station.

    Any tips on navigating the Morena Blvd death zone between Linda Vista Rd and Taylor Street?
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    Where is your starting point on Linda Vista Road? You can avoid Morena all together by taking Napa -> Friars -> Pacific Hwy (kind of like a loop). According to Google Map, it's 1.5 miles longer than taking the more direct Morena way. Another option, if possible, is to take Fashion Valley Rd like this. Both ways will add some extra miles to your commute, but not a huge amount. The second way is pretty much all downhill. Kinda depends on how much time you have for your commute. Both ways are, in my opinion, safer than going on Morena trying to get to Taylor. I've driven through there in the mornings, and even though there aren't many cars, they do drive fast. And the drivers are more worried about merging over to the right on-ramp than watching for cyclists on the road.
    • CommentAuthorPetteri
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2014
     
    I'm not sure Pacific Highway and Sea World Drive would be all that more comfortable, plus that route involves a left turn across Pacific Highway at Taylor, where the sensors don't seem to pick up bikes. Fashion Valley etc looks better to me.

    I haven't found Morena across the I-8 to be too bad, but I don't think I've ever been there on weekday mornings. A combination of taking the lane for visibility and occasionally just staying bleep out of the way seems to work. You could also cross the ramps as a pedestrian, but I'm not sure that would be any easier if the traffic is heavy.
    • CommentAuthorbossvoss
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2014
     
    If you stick to Morena, I suggest you either take the lane the whole way or be a pedestrian the whole way. No mixing. The vehicle speeds are so great and the lane narrow enough (with very high curbs) that the margin for error is small.

    Personally, I always take the lane through there (used to ride this section almost daily) and I frequently get honked at, close passed, and epithets thrown.

    There is one small section where the shoulder is wide enough to let backed up cars get by (between on-ramps). I usually wait there for a break in the traffic before taking the lane again. But I am usually going that direction in the afternoon, so traffic patterns might be different.

    I also take the lane when going across the bridge the other direction.
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    Petteri:...that route involves a left turn across Pacific Highway at Taylor, where the sensors don't seem to pick up bikes...

    That left turn is not a problem during morning commuting times. I go that way a lot (~7:30am) and have never been stuck at the light. There is usually at least 1 car that will pull up behind you as you wait for the light to change. At worst, you can get off your bike and walk across like a pedestrian but I doubt you'll ever have to resort to that. That intersection, although huge, is very safe in my opinion.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2014
     
    I've had the signal pick up for me... just not that often. Try calling the City - 619-527-7500 and letting them know.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2014
     
    bossvoss:If you stick to Morena, I suggest you either take the lane the whole way or be a pedestrian the whole way. No mixing. The vehicle speeds are so great and the lane narrow enough (with very high curbs) that the margin for error is small.

    Personally, I always take the lane through there (used to ride this section almost daily) and I frequently get honked at, close passed, and epithets thrown.

    There is one small section where the shoulder is wide enough to let backed up cars get by (between on-ramps). I usually wait there for a break in the traffic before taking the lane again. But I am usually going that direction in the afternoon, so traffic patterns might be different.

    I also take the lane when going across the bridge the other direction.


    I do the same thing (taking lane) and get the same result (honked at and closed passed at), so I rarely go that way anymore. The most annoying thing is that the left lane is almost always open, but cars don't ever want to use it to pass a bicycle... and they won't just hang behind for a few second it would take for you to clear the on ramp entrance either, but like to close pass you and then cut right right in front of you to get to the on ramp. It doesn't matter if you are dead in the middle of the lane or even left-center of it. I've been passed at less than a foot from those position. There's no stopping road-raging motorist from straddling the line just to show you they don't value your life just because you are on a bicycle. It doesn't help that visibility is an issue once you're under the freeway shadow. :o( It's almost ridiculous that OBBP has ramps right in the middle of that section. Come out of the OBBP at Morena and you'll have to deal with freeway merge no matter which way you go. :oP
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      CommentAuthorbilld
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2014 edited
     
    gottobike:Any tips on navigating the Morena Blvd death zone between Linda Vista Rd and Taylor Street?
    I did this every day for 4.5 years. I was coming from Clairemont and working downtown. It's not that tough if you take the lane, starting at least before the Linda Vista to Morena transition if not earlier. I had some harassment there but I wouldn't consider it one of the more serious harassment spots I've dealt with.

    You can get away with moving over onto the shoulder just after the first ramp but you'll want to take the lane again soon after for the second ramp. Cars didn't really get backed up behind me there unless their drivers were trying to prove that they were too stupid to change lanes to pass a bicycle.
    • CommentAuthorRiz98
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2014
     
    My current commute also takes me through Taylor Street and Linda Vista. I have not yet had any bad drivers road rage me but I also don't take the whole lane as others have suggested. I just started commuting a couple months ago so I am sure it will happen sometime in the future.
    • CommentAuthorJayKay
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2015
     
    Advice on going from coastal la Jolla to iron mountain trailhead in Poway with weekend morning traffic
    Google give two options :

    1) miramar rd
    2) 56 bike path (just a little bit longer)

    Any strong recomendations? Specifically preferred way to cross I15.

    Thanks!
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2015
     
    Depends on the bike. If you're on a cx bike, Penasquitos Canyon can be taken through to near Poway, then head to Scripps/Poway Parkway. Otherwise, I'd go with the 56 path. Leads into Poway Road near Espola Road.
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      CommentAuthorGeoff
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2015
     
    I want to do an Orange County to San Diego bike trip. Now that it's 2015 and many bike projects have been implemented, does anyone have a recommended route that differs from the Google Map route that takes you inland along the 405? Is PCH from Newport Beach to Dana Point that bad still?
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    The epic OC-SD route (on a mountain bike) would take you inland from Newport Beach along the Back Bay and then Jamboree Road, into Santiago Canyon, then over Santiago Peak. You would connect to approximately the mile 92 marker of this route and ride the reverse back to Oceanside:

    http://ridewithgps.com/routes/2828825
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2015
     
    Wouldn't it be a lot easier just going through Pendleton?

    ;P
    • CommentAuthormfutch
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2015
     
    That "fire road" on top of those mountains is pretty brutal. That would be no easy feat.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2015
     
    Geoff:I want to do an Orange County to San Diego bike trip. Now that it's 2015 and many bike projects have been implemented, does anyone have a recommended route that differs from the Google Map route that takes you inland along the 405? Is PCH from Newport Beach to Dana Point that bad still?


    I never found the route to be "that bad" except Laguna Beach, particularly for about one mile south of State 133. That part really sucked. There is a relatively nice and quiet route around Corona Del Mar via Bayside Dr. Bypasses the worst of it. Depending on your route inland, there are options. Camino Capistrano, Cabot Dr, Muirlands Blvd, Barranca Pkwy, and the bike path along San Diego Creek can get you a long ways inland. Just depends on where you want to go.
    • CommentAuthorSam
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2017
     
    Hello all. What would be your preferred route from La mesa to Coronado Ferry landing? Fletcher Parkway to Uptown Mesa and then down Pershing to downtown?
    Or....
    Spring Street to Lemon Grove Ave to Imperial Ave (recommended by google)?

    Thanks.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2017 edited
     
    Sam:Hello all. What would be your preferred route from La mesa to Coronado Ferry landing?
    I don't know of a route that is both pleasant and direct: Maybe just bite the bullet and ride Uni - Orange - Howard - Park - Island - etc?
    • CommentAuthorallanorn
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2017 edited
     
    Sigurd:
    Sam:Hello all. What would be your preferred route from La mesa to Coronado Ferry landing?
    I don't know of a route that is both pleasant and direct: Maybe just bite the bullet and ride Uni - Orange - Howard - Park - Island - etc?


    I'd likely do what Sigurd suggested. I recently rode Park Blvd south and the paving is mostly decent. I'm trying to think of a way to go that avoids City College in the morning, but the only other semi-reasonable way to go would be via Landis and 32nd St. through South Park and Golden Hill. Pershing is four lanes and signed at 50mph, plus you have a bomb downhill into a stop light at 26th/Florida and then trying to dodge traffic merging onto I-5 right after.

    The one benefit of Spring Street/Lemon Grove Ave/Imperial is that you can jump on the trolley if you need to. I wouldn't call that route "pleasant" though.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2017
     
    Or... you could go south from University on 30th thru South Park instead (I'd swing over to 30th for a while instead of staying on Fern), and skip over to 32nd at Market... and that takes you all the way to Harbor Dr. Traffic is usually not bad. :)
    • CommentAuthorallanorn
    • CommentTimeAug 30th 2017 edited
     
    Smorg:Or... you could go south from University on 30th thru South Park instead (I'd swing over to 30th for a while instead of staying on Fern), and skip over to 32nd at Market... and that takes you all the way to Harbor Dr. Traffic is usually not bad. :)


    I'm not sure that I would want to ride 30th immediately south of University unless you have to, which is why I suggested Landis. From El Cajon and 15 I've been going Orange - 35th - Landis - Nile - Thorn - 32nd - Juniper and it seems relatively calm. 32nd might be crazy in the morning because of St. Augustine HS but that might make general traffic slower; just note that 32nd is pretty narrow.

    I live in Golden Hill/South Park so I usually recommend from 30th/Juniper to take Dale - Beech - Granada - A - 28th - B - 25th/22nd. In particular Dale is really wide and nicely paved except between Cedar and Beech, and B has a good bike lane with lots of morning bike commuters. Routes from 25th and B into downtown for me tend to vary depending on where you're going and what you're willing to put up with.
    • CommentAuthorallanorn
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2017
     
    Mission Valley to Liberty Public Market/Liberty Station: Is there any good way to get to/from Liberty Station from the Mission Valley area? I'm looking at doing a loop that includes the new CA-15 bike path, but I'm not finding any safe routes through Point Loma. I can use the MV/OB Bike Path to Sunset Cliffs/Nimitz and go via Chatsworth or Voltaire, but that just seems out of the way.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2017
     
    Although not a straight line, I would do the old Bike Path - Sunset Cliffs - Voltaire - Chatsworth route, and then swoop into LS at Lytton/Barnett/Decatur. It's mostly a decently safe and pleasant route.

    Alternatively, Bike Path - Pacific Hwy - Barnett. Not bad either.
    • CommentAuthorallanorn
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2017
     
    Sigurd:Although not a straight line, I would do the old Bike Path - Sunset Cliffs - Voltaire - Chatsworth route, and then swoop into LS at Lytton/Barnett/Decatur. It's mostly a decently safe and pleasant route.

    Alternatively, Bike Path - Pacific Hwy - Barnett. Not bad either.


    I did a variant of #1, cutting through Loma Portal. Unfortunately, I didn't look at the map very well and took Friars, which doesn't have a true connection to Pacific Hwy. No big deal.

    I'll have to try Bike Path - Pacific Hwy - Barnett sometime as that seems a little more direct at the expense of potentially some crazy traffic.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2017 edited
     
    allanorn:I'll have to try Bike Path - Pacific Hwy - Barnett sometime as that seems a little more direct at the expense of potentially some crazy traffic.
    I wouldn't consider this route as typically having "crazy traffic": Pac Hwy is usually pretty benign with bike lanes / shoulder (and you don't need to travel through the awful underpass at Barnett), and although Barnett gets pretty busy at times, there is some shoulder all the way to the Decatur turn-off. The main hot-spot on this route would be the sweeping right exit to Midway from Barnett, where you need to negotiate going straight to stay on Barnett.
    • CommentAuthorallanorn
    • CommentTimeSep 17th 2017
     
    Sigurd:
    allanorn:I'll have to try Bike Path - Pacific Hwy - Barnett sometime as that seems a little more direct at the expense of potentially some crazy traffic.
    I wouldn't consider this route as typically having "crazy traffic": Pac Hwy is usually pretty benign with bike lanes / shoulder (and you don't need to travel through the awful underpass at Barnett), and although Barnett gets pretty busy at times, there is some shoulder all the way to the Decatur turn-off. The main hot-spot on this route would be the sweeping right exit to Midway from Barnett, where you need to negotiate going straight to stay on Barnett.

    Having just ridden that section an hour or so ago, it's not as bad as I would have thought. The "bike line" between Barnett and Washington is probably the worst of it. It's definitely better than going north on Pacific Highway through that area; there seems to be some rather sketchy sections to navigate and I hope they do a little work on it when the city puts in the cycle tracks downtown.
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      CommentAuthorSmorg
    • CommentTimeSep 17th 2017
     
    Actually, Rosecrans between Pacific Hwy and Lytton/Barnett isn't that bad nowadays, especially heading west. You do have to get in the left turn lane to stay on Rosecrans at Sports Arena, but it's fairly easy as traffic comes in waves there. I generally hang back on the far right until the current wave is past, then I scoot over to the 2nd left turn lane. The rest of the way is okay. A bit after Midway the slow lane is a sharrow and then a buffered bike lane. Getting to the left turn lane to turn onto Lytton, you just have to wait for the current wave of traffic to past.

    Coming back east, I usually turn left from Truxton to Barnett/Lytton, then duck right into St Charles (the next street), and work my way east to Rosecrans Pl and finally onto Rosecrans proper just a block before Midway. The bike lane disappears after a while, but generally you can just take the lane until a bit after Sports Arena (pavement is still really sucky on the far right). If you don't want to ride vehicularly, tho, you can just take Barnett to PCH and onto Witherby to Hancock and then Old Town Ave to Congress and then Taylor.