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    gavilan:My current obvious choice for a 'direct' route is 101 up to Leucadia and then head east

    I personally prefer your direct route using Leucadia. Leucadia has 2 lanes with a bike lane for the majority of your ride. Manchester has a weird way to connect to the 101 (Google map link). You have to go up to Chesterfield Dr., then do a quick turn on San Elijo Ave. Also, San Elijo Ave and Manchester are mostly 1 lane with a lesser portion containing a bike lane. It's kind of a hassle to ride on that road compared to Leucadia. Just my 2 cents.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2012
     
    Northbound 101 in Leucadia has no bike lane and north of Leucadia Blvd. there is broken pot-holed pavement at the edge of the right lane with a rough drop off into goathead territory. Drivers will not change lanes to pass cyclists and you are likely to be Jerry Browned with extreme prejudice. I am regularly honked and yelled at here. Once a tailgating yahoo in a van equipped with a PA system yelled at me to "get in the bike lane" even though there is no bike lane here, maybe a couple of inches of ragged pot-holed asphalt to the right of the fog line. This is where Jim Swarzman was killed by a hit and run driver.

    In 30 years of riding on Manchester I've never had a single problem. Shoulders are adequately wide. If you still want to take Leucadia Blvd. (or even worse La Costa Ave.) to get to Village Park in Encinitas along El Camino Real, I suggest taking Vulcan, one street east of the train tracks. It's one lane in each direction, but sightlines are long and clear.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
     
    wpstoll:Northbound 101 in Leucadia has no bike lane and north of Leucadia Blvd. ... Drivers will not change lanes to pass cyclists and you are likely to be Jerry Browned with extreme prejudice.

    Have you tried riding in the left tire track?
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012 edited
     
    Last time I tried that there a woman driving an SUV had a honking/screaming fit and passed me on the right when other cars were passing me in the left lane. That technique seems to work fine on the Uptown Mesa and in most of urban San Diego, but 101 in Leucadia and Encinitas has this regional dynamic that invites trouble. Newport and Laguna in Orangutan County are similar in this respect.
    • CommentAuthorbossvoss
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2012
     
    I live just north of Leucadia and El Camino Real and usuallly am either riding my bike to the Encinitas Coaster station or to the 101.
    Besides Vulcan, there are 3 other ways to avoid the 101 between Encintas and Leucadia. Each has it's own drawbacks.

    - Quail Garden Road - my choice for morning Southbound commute - bike lane is very narrow, cars travel faster than posted 40. I take the lane in the morning (since it is mostly downhill or flat). A lot harder to do this going uphill (North).

    - Vulcan to Sunset to Orpheus - my choice for evening Northbound commute - nice views, but narrow residential streets (in some places 2 cars can't even pass), lot's of speeding cut through traffic, rough roads and flooding when it rains

    - Saxony Road - relatively wide "residential" street, but not well lit and lots of traffic (cut through and the YMCA)
    • CommentAuthorgavilan
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2012
     
    Thanks everyone for comments and suggestions!
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2012
     
    Another suggestion.

    101N, make a left just after Swamis Beach (K street) and your second right onto 3rd. Take 3rd across Encinitas (there a short, steep, satisfying climb) and make a left onto A street (second left). Then a right onto 5th ... bear left and it becomes Neptune.

    Neptune is a lovely 1-way (north) street that is placid and pretty. You can even pull off and get a nice view of the Ocean. You'll turn right at Grandview and then make a left on 101 (it's not that tricky). By that point you've missed the worst of 101N.

    Going south, I've had no issues with 101 for some reason.

    Neptune is a nice 'secret'.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2012
     
    Neptune is indeed lovely going north.

    So is Vulcan going southbound.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMar 13th 2012
     
    Vulcan I've done north and south... both seem alright. Neptune is my favored northbound road though.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2012
     
    Northbound 101 in Leucadia has been significantly improved. I was able to ride through yesterday afternoon in heavy traffic without close passes. Looking forward to the realization of the final plan.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2012
     
    How has 101 been improved? It has been a long time since I've gone through there without being on a train.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 14th 2012
     
    There has been extensive asphalt patching to the right of the fog line in many places that were randomly pockmarked with holes and irregularities. I found it to be a significant interim stopgap measure and found that I could comfortably coexist with heavy motor traffic here better than ever in the last 30 years I've been riding this stretch. Hopefully the final outcome of this project will be satisfactory to all road users.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2012
     
    One more point, 101 and (even worse) Vulcan have the TRAFFIC LIGHT FROM HELL at Leucadia Blvd. On Vulcan it's a long long cycle.
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    bikingbill -- ..."it's a long long cycle."

    Nice double entendre. Touche!

    OKB
    :face-devil-grin:
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2012
     
    I was delayed at that signal for five minutes the other day. Did a track stand for several minutes anticipating that I'd get green after the left turn, then unclipped when cross traffic got the green. The traffic engineers who configured that signal must have been drinking on the job!
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2012
     
    wpstoll:I was delayed at that signal for five minutes the other day. Did a track stand for several minutes anticipating that I'd get green after the left turn, then unclipped when cross traffic got the green. The traffic engineers who configured that signal must have been drinking on the job!


    No, ALL signals in north county have audio sensors that detect the sound of a bicycle shoe being unclipped.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMar 15th 2012
     
    AXOLOTL!
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeMar 16th 2012
     
    Found an interesting alternative to climbing Leucadia Blvd from Saxony to Quail Gardens in Encinitas.

    Even though it doesn't go thru for automobiles, Sidona Street will take you from Saxony to the Quail and Leucadia Blvd. intersection.

    When you get to the "dead end", take the side path to the right:

    http://g.co/maps/kzunh

    It has some steep sections, but it's quiet and more fun IMHO than Leucadia. Enjoy.
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    I'm looking for the best route from Dallas and Fletcher Parkway in La mesa to Lindbergh field.

    I rode from Dallas to Jackson to Mission Gorge to Friars then through Old Town and PCH. Ok but hilly.
    Today I went Dallas to Jackson to Navajo then cut through Zion to Camino Del Rio N and a couple of the river paths then to the Old town and PCH. The river paths were horrible, might as well be off road.

    Going back I tried Harbor to Grape, 6th, through the park to Park, meandered a bit and ended up on El Cajon Blvd to Lake Murray to Dallas. ECB I'd like to avoid in the future and still pretty hilly.

    Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeApr 3rd 2012 edited
     
    I found a pretty good route from La Mesa to University Heights that doesn't involve El Cajon Blvd at all... but it has lots of turns. From W to E, it involves Meade, 44th, Monroe, 54th, Adams, other roads, Madison, other roads - cross College to Rose, Catoctin, Montezuma, Vons Parking Lot, 67th, Mohawk, cross 70th St, Mohawk to 73rd to El Cajon - You're now in La Mesa and haven't taken El Cajon Blvd.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012
     
    What's the climb on Candlelight and Rutgers up on Solodad? Got a meeting off Rutgers on Sunday. Figured I'd take Gilman from UCSD and avoid La Jolla drive.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012 edited
     
    bikingbill:What's the climb on Candlelight and Rutgers up on Solodad? Got a meeting off Rutgers on Sunday. Figured I'd take Gilman from UCSD and avoid La Jolla drive.
    Nice and quiet - somewhat steep at the bottom right off Van Nuys for about 300' (10% perhaps?), and then an even nice 5-6% or so till you get to LJ Scenic S.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012 edited
     
    Sigurd:
    bikingbill:What's the climb on Candlelight and Rutgers up on Solodad? Got a meeting off Rutgers on Sunday. Figured I'd take Gilman from UCSD and avoid La Jolla drive.
    Nice and quiet - somewhat steep at the bottom right off Van Nuys for about 300' (10% perhaps?), and then an even nice 5-6% or so till you get to LJ Scenic S.


    Thanks. The Gilman->Path way may be longer, but at least I avoid the mess in La Jolla downtown.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012 edited
     
    bikingbill:
    Sigurd:
    bikingbill:What's the climb on Candlelight and Rutgers up on Solodad? Got a meeting off Rutgers on Sunday. Figured I'd take Gilman from UCSD and avoid La Jolla drive.
    Nice and quiet - somewhat steep at the bottom right off Van Nuys for about 300' (10% perhaps?), and then an even nice 5-6% or so till you get to LJ Scenic S.
    Thanks. The Gilman->Path way may be longer, but at least I avoid the mess in La Jolla downtown.
    Downtown La Jolla isn't too bad - as long as you stay off TP Rd. whenever possible (the short section of TP Rd. between Princess and Prospect is in practice unavoidable).
    • CommentAuthorShady John
    • CommentTimeApr 28th 2012
     
    The La Jolla Half Marathon is tomorrow morning. This could cause problems if you're going through La Jolla. If you're going in the afternoon, things should be cleared out and I would recommend the route through La Jolla vs going around and then crawling back through PB. This is approximately how I would do it:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=UCSD,+La+Jolla,+CA&daddr=La+Jolla+Shores+Drive,+San+Diego,+CA+to:32.862232,-117.2544488+to:Spindrift+Drive,+San+Diego,+CA+to:Princess+Street,+San+Diego,+CA+to:Prospect+Pl+to:32.8461514,-117.2668165+to:32.840536,-117.27238+to:fay+and+nautilus+san+diego+ca+to:32.8175289,-117.2685422+to:forward+and+linda+rosa+san+diego+ca+to:Vista+Claridad+and+rutgers+San+Diego,+CA&hl=en&ll=32.821074,-117.259655&spn=0.019583,0.042272&sll=32.83319,-117.271714&sspn=0.01958,0.042272&geocode=FWmc9QEdzRcD-SGnPpGJ_Kq27w%3BFaJ49QEdwN4C-SmJfs6RtAbcgDF12dOul-EPOw%3BFRhw9QEd0NYC-Sktf_RfsgbcgDGvgMyzqla21g%3BFXZG9QEdmr0C-Sm_XVgtUQHcgDGc4VfuHmvdLg%3BFbI_9QEd4rUC-SkzwZkkVwHcgDGTtWDnmnhUfw%3BFaU19QEd8qMC-Q%3BFUcx9QEdgKYC-SmJAn0PWAHcgDHUNqu9YJP1Vg%3BFVgb9QEdxJAC-SknoR3n4wPcgDGionDp0RDkog%3BFfT89AEdBZUC-SmTat9Z3gPcgDGexEQ9h6iyWg%3BFXjB9AEdwp8C-Skj_cR21QPcgDEek72Ulz-oig%3BFRq49AEdmrQC-SlbEOLBgQHcgDFB_Sz6r0Z6sA%3BFYS_9AEd6dAC-SkzJBmzggHcgDEo7yAFfOShBQ&t=h&dirflg=b&mra=mru&via=2,6,7,9&z=15&lci=bike

    A couple of additional tips: To turn onto Prospect from Torrey Pines, I always go straight through the intersection to the opposite (NW) corner, then stop and wait for the light to cross TP as a pseudo pedestrian. It is suicide to try to turn left from TP onto Prospect Place. Also, you don't actually have to come out to the busy intersection of Pearl and Girard. Instead, go to Herschel and Marine, to the entrance of La Jolla Elementary School, and take the path out to Girard.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2012
     
    Morning meeting. So I'll go via Gilman.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2012
     
    ShadyGaga:It is suicide to try to turn left from TP onto Prospect Place.
    Yes! :face-crying:

    I always turn right on Prospect, go through the village, then make my way to Girard and take it straight up to Genter.
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeApr 29th 2012
     
    Tire was flat, right near a chunk of glass. Took out glass, replaced tube ... flat 5 miles later. Missed the REAL cause of the flat, a small wire.

    2nd real flat on the Marathon Plus in about 6000 miles.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2012
     
    Sigurd:
    ShadyGaga:It is suicide to try to turn left from TP onto Prospect Place.
    Yes! :face-crying:

    I always turn right on Prospect, go through the village, then make my way to Girard and take it straight up to Genter.


    That's my left turn to go home. Actually, I prefer going one more block, to Exchange Place, and turning left there. That was part of my commute (returning from the UTC area) for about eight years. In fact, the difficulties I was having turning left there is what prompted me to ask for suggestions on the SDCBC email list on Dec 1, 2003. One of the replies suggested I read Effective Cycling, which I did over the winter holiday, and by January I was navigating through there, and everywhere else, with no issues whatsoever.

    The key to turning left either on Prospect or Exchange is negotiation (signalling and head turning that causes someone to slow to let you in) and controlling one lane at a time, rather than trying to find a gap to dart across both lanes at once.
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      CommentAuthorHMeins
    • CommentTimeMay 1st 2012
     
    That technique usually works well for me in heavy traffic when I need to negotiate a left turn.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2012
     
    wpstoll:That technique usually works well for me in heavy traffic when I need to negotiate a left turn.

    Learning to make left turns comfortably and safely in even busy/fast mult-lane traffic is key to transforming from a cyclist who picks routes predominately based on avoiding traffic to one who gives shortest distance/time more priority - and it makes other routes more practical. Shaving a few minutes off a commute, because you're no longer taking a circuitous route to avoid the challenging sections, can make the difference between a commute that is practically doable, daily, and one that isn't.
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      CommentAuthorGeoff
    • CommentTimeMay 4th 2012
     
    ....Aaaaaand sometimes we'd rather just not deal with cars, heavy traffic, or poor road design. Sometimes a life isn't worth a few minutes, yes? Sometimes the slower, quieter route gives us a better quality of life. I can control me, I can't control everyone else. This is like my 72 year-old mother choosing not to drive on freeways anymore. She doesn't want to do things that stress her out and risk her life.

    I've modified my commute path several times to take parallel streets, whether for avoiding multiple stop signs on an avenue, or because negotiating a poorly designed street isn't worth 10 honks a day. My advantage as a cyclist is I'm more aware of my surroundings, and can explore reasonable alternatives. I'm happier with shifting one street over to not deal with bad stoplight cycles or cars racing me to make sweeping right hand turns. Not everyone needs to be VC all the time the "bike properly". You insinuate that a person on a bike is somehow better only when they pick shorter/faster routes, and that if they don't "transform", they're a lower form of cyclist. I'd rather bike happy.
    • CommentAuthormfutch
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2012
     
    Amen.
    • CommentAuthorStephan
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2012
     
    Being able to make a left turn across a couple of lanes of traffic is a useful skill to have because it is among a set of skills that frees you to use a bike to go practically anywhere you need or want to go, regardless of the transportation environment. On the other hand, being able to shave as many minutes as possible off a trip by always taking the most direct route is of little concern to me personally. I choose to live in an area where I don't have to make that calculation very often, so there is more than one way make your bicycle a useful and attractive option. And with that, I think this discussion has or should migrate to the bike advocacy thread.
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeMay 5th 2012
     
    Stephan: And with that, I think this discussion has or should migrate to the bike advocacy thread.
    Absolutely - topic closed in this thread.
    • CommentAuthorgbftats
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2012
     
    Hi Guys, I just moved to SD, and I'm curious what the best way to get from North Park to Pacific Beach is?
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2012
     
    The way I go seems to work well... Find your way to Howard Ave - West on Howard, to Georgia St, South on Georgia to Polk, West on Polk to Park, then left onto Park to Centre St (a LEFT then first RIGHT), down to University. Follow University to Goldfinch. Right on Goldfinch to Lewis St, then left onto Lewis, it turns into Fort Stockton, follow down the hill, through Presidio Park to Taylor. Left onto Taylor, then right onto Morena Blvd. At the bike path (just after the 8), go WEST on the path to Pacific Highway, Follow Pacific Highway NORTH to Mission Bay Dr... then Mission Bay Dr to Pacific Beach and wherever you need. Sounds like a lot of turns... but you'll find it is an easy way with few traffic problems, except University Ave.
    • CommentAuthorJayKay
    • CommentTimeMay 14th 2012
     
    Gbftats,

    There are a number of good options.

    From North Park you want to descend either Bachman place (behinds UCSD medical center) or through mission hills.

    1) Down Bachman place, friars rd to the end. Sea world bike path to PB. Depeding on where you need to in PB you can use the bay path or the east west streets to navigate (i would avoid ingraham) http://g.co/maps/aqx38


    2) Through mission hills, descend via presido dr. or juan street. Connect to OB bike path via morena blvd or pacific highway.



    (Can also connect to mission bay park via pacific highway,--this can take to to rose creek bridge onto PB drive and olney in PB)

    A lot of different ways to mix and match these routes. I am a fan of mission hills route even though I believe its a little slower then bachman
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      CommentAuthorSigurd
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    gbftats:Hi Guys, I just moved to SD, and I'm curious what the best way to get from North Park to Pacific Beach is?
    Do this all the time and agree with previous posters: Here's my typical route.
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 15th 2012
     
    La Jolla (downtown) to Santee/N. El Cajon? (and back)

    I did PB->Morena->Friars->Mission Trails->Mission Gorge on the way in; going home I will try Navajo (and then Friars->Morena->PB->LJ).
    • CommentAuthorSerge2
    • CommentTimeMay 16th 2012
     
    Serge2:La Jolla (downtown) to Santee/N. El Cajon? (and back)

    I did PB->Morena->Friars->Mission Trails->Mission Gorge on the way in; going home I will try Navajo (and then Friars->Morena->PB->LJ).


    The way back: Fletcher Parkway->Navajo->Waring->Zion->Friars->Sea World Drive (east)->E Mission Bay Drive->PB->La Jolla
    That was fine. Very straightforward. The only significant climb was up Fletcher, but the gradient is not bad and constant. Great pavement - smooth and clean (no bike lane or edge stripe) with very wide outside lane.
    Negotiating some of the interchanges on Friars can be challenging, definitely not for novices, especially at commute time. I guess that can be bypassed by taking the river path to the south.
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      CommentAuthorPaul
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2012
     
    Anybody hear ridden Proctor Valley Road?
    We had it planned with MFutch once but didn't end up doing it.
    I know there is some dirt but how doable on standard road bike?
    Mostly interested in heading south from Jamul to the South Bay as a new way to finish the GWL.
    • CommentAuthorsd_mike
    • CommentTimeJun 7th 2012 edited
     
    I've driven Proctor Valley Rd, found it very washboarded toward the eastern end. I can't say about a road bike... I've barely ridden one - CX bikes are much more versatile.
    • CommentAuthormfutch
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2012
     
    It's fine, I did it on my Raleigh with 28mm tires. You are on 25 mm right? It's definitely a better way to get from Jamul to Otay Lakes. Do it.
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      CommentAuthorPaul
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2012
     
    mfutch:It's fine, I did it on my Raleigh with 28mm tires. You are on 25 mm right? It's definitely a better way to get from Jamul to Otay Lakes. Do it.


    Thanks Futch. I will give it a shot ASAP.
    • CommentAuthoryadam
    • CommentTimeJun 18th 2012 edited
     
    Headed to Long Beach in August to catch the Phish show. Gonna take the train and my bike but not sure where to disembark ? Any input appreciated .Thanks!
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      CommentAuthorbikingbill
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2012
     
    yadam:Headed to Long Beach in August to catch the Phish show. Gonna take the train and my bike but not sure where to disembark ? Any input appreciated .Thanks!


    The Blue Line train, runs from LA to Long Beach, but not quite Union Station. You have to take the Red Line (subway) from Union Station to the 7th Street / Metro Center Station. From there the Blue Line takes you to Long Beach.

    You can use Amtrak to get to Union Station, or the Metrolink from Oceanside.
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    That show will be awesome.

    Maybe see you there!
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    Working in Stonecrest just off Aero & Ruffin, got to head up to 5553 Copley Drive.
    to return 3 pairs of running shoes after work. Looking for the SAFEST way there, as I think of that Kearny/Clairemont Mesa area as very hazardous to bikes. First thought is just taking Aero to its west end, north on Convoy, then west on Convoy Ct or Copley Park Pl...any better ideas? After that I have to get home to OB, planning to just take Linda Vista.
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      CommentAuthorPaul
    • CommentTimeJun 19th 2012
     
    VirtualRoadKillAli:Working in Stonecrest just off Aero & Ruffin, got to head up to 5553 Copley Drive.
    to return 3 pairs of running shoes after work. Looking for the SAFEST way there, as I think of that Kearny/Clairemont Mesa area as very hazardous to bikes. First thought is just taking Aero to its west end, north on Convoy, then west on Convoy Ct or Copley Park Pl...any better ideas? After that I have to get home to OB, planning to just take Linda Vista.


    I do that in reverse fairly often, although not during rush hour. For you, Aero to Convoy then I make a left on Daggert, right on Ruffner which turns into Copley to REI/Roadrunner. Actually riding on Balboa and CMB are the worst. Convoy is manageable IMO.